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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]  NP. I have no opinions on Northeastern, but you plainly do not understand the list you linked. Multiple universities on the list do not educate undergraduates at all. Others are notoriously bad for undergraduates as they focus entirely on academic research and graduate education. I used to do admissions for a T20 graduate program, and there are universities on that list that were known for not preparing undergraduates at all for graduate school. A good research institute means very little with respect to undergraduate education. What you linked is a list of well-respected research institutes and graduate schools, because that’s what academic reputation is built on. It is not a list relevant to where good undergraduate students should attend. [/quote]

Thanks for the irrelevant lecture.   [b]Actually, all the U.S. universities on that Times list educate undergraduates[/B], and Northeastern in fact has a higher percentage of graduate students than many of the US universities on that list, so its omission is conspicuous.   You may have different views of some of the schools that -- unlike NEU -- made it onto the Times list, but ultimately you're one (presumably truthful) person and the Times has conducted a survey of many, so notwithstanding your boundless self-regard, your views don't trump theirs.   Furthermore, the point made by a PP was that Northeastern is now a peer of the elite US universities, and for all Northeastern's strengths, it simply isn't.

The Times survey was cited principally because it's one of the most recent, and Northeastern's absence provides pretty compelling evidence that it isn't considered one of the top US universities.    One could alternatively look at this year's Times rankings of universities (not a poll of "reputations") (which ranked Northeastern as #52 US university in the country) or last year's final WSJ rankings (which ranked Northeastern at #86) or this year's Forbes rankings (which ranked NEU at #79).  Those are solid rankings for NEU -- notwithstanding the inclination of DCUM commenters to disparage any school that isn't so-called "T30" or "T50" -- but it places Northeastern with strong colleges/universities rather than the very small number of elite universities.

I'm sure the Northeastern cheerleaders here can find reason to dismiss every single expert analysis that doesn't reaffirm their own view of the school, but ultimate a pattern does emerge that more objective readers can discern.

If you want to have a discussion of "where good undergraduate students should attend," you're welcome to start a thread, but that's not usually what's discussed here (e.g, note the virtually complete exclusion of SLACs from the discussion).    Northeastern's advocates don't argue that it provides the best undergraduate education (which makes sense because its "undergraduate education" rankings aren't especially strong either) but rather that by various metrics NEU now ranks among the top universities in the country.   It's a fairly subtle distinction but one that someone as smart as you can no doubt grasp, or pretend to.

And to be clear, I'm not a 'Northeastern hater" (a characteristically infantile accusation that ignores that i'm not disparaging Northeastern but rather some of the exaggerated or frankly untruthful claims some make about it).   Northeastern's a very good school that provides a unique educational experience.  But I'm honestly offended by the assumption that in unedited fora like this people can state an untruth aggressively and repeatedly (whether to talk up one college or talk down another) to serve their own purposes, and make it a new alternative fact out of it, and mislead the gullible when actually a lot is at stake.

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Oh good Lord. Too much nonsense to wade through this late at night.

As you are so confident you both understand your link and US undergraduate education (see the bolded you wrote! So delightfully certain!), could you just tell me what undergraduate degrees #45 (University of California, San Francisco) or the, uh, “Mayo Medical School” offer? Also, while you’re at it, could you explain what and where exactly the “University of Massachusetts” and “University of Indiana” are, in that link you seem to think so highly of and that you understand so well? Also, perhaps, direct me to where I might find the “University of Campinas”?

I’d appreciate it ever so much. [/quote]

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