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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares?  I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole. [/quote]

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop? [/quote]

What’s the injustice?  That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities?  I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices. [/quote]

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs. [/quote]

You have absolutely no knowledge that this is occurring. [/quote]

Actually, it is a well known fact. “Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median; such students are in roughly the most advantaged fifth of families of their own race.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/supreme-court-harvard-affirmative-action-legacy-admissions-equity/671869/

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Many of the URM in the Ivy league are 1st or 2nd generation children of immigrants from Africa or Central/South America.   So these immigrant families have never experience the racism or injustice in the U.S. but they are taking advantage of the AA.  Colleges only care about if you are a URM (not where your ancestral lineage is from) so they can check the boxes that they have certain % of URM in their class for diversity purpose.[/quote]

Why do you say that the 1st or 2nd generation children of immigrants from Africa or Central/South America are “taking advantage of the AA?”

I think your anger is misplaced. The kids cannot do anything about their race. It is up to the colleges to accept the right URMs — the ones whose ancestors were slaves.[/quote]

This AGAIN shows how people don't understand why colleges seek racial balance in admissions.  It is not a form of reparations or guilt.

The main reason they do it because if they are devoid of a certain race it is very difficult to get other students they want of that race to attend.

Many of you don't know this because you never read a book on the subject, or have spoken to a college administrator or admissions professional.  If you did, you'd get it.  But you won't because that will defeat your narrative.[/quote]

The reality is that there are a limited number of spots, so deciding you need a critical mass of one racial group necessarily means making you you don’t have “too many” of another.  That’s flatly illegal, and for good reasons.  [/quote]

That's some real pretzel logic there.

But before I address that, I will point out that it does not change the fact that you are ignorant about why colleges have the policy that that have, and "the reality" remains you haven't read a single book on the subject nor spoken to a college professional about it, which is the entire point of the post you respond to with your nonsense non-sequitur.

Also "the reality" is that if the policy is not designed to hurt any one specific race but exists to benefit all of them then it is, by definition, not racist and not illegal.  If suddenly nearly no Asians applied to Princeton, their acceptance rate would shoot up to near 100%.[/quote]

What you call “pretzel logic” the rest of us call “arithmetic,” which doesn’t really require a book-length treatment to understand.  Nor do the rest of us find the self-serving justifications of “college professionals” particularly persuasive.  Most of us have encountered the same tired justifications in many contexts.  One could have made exactly the same argument in favor of Jewish quotas decades ago:  a more diverse environment is better for everyone, Jews included, so we need to be mindful of the racial balance of the admitted class.  Wrong then, wrong now.  [/quote]

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