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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a history PhD who taught in many colleges and universities over the years, it saddens me to see how many people here don't have any understanding of how folk beliefs like Santa come to be.  The folks (including me in some cases) posting about ancient gods with flying reindeer are trying to show what any person with a college education should know - that holiday celebrations and folk beliefs evolve over time and absorb bits and pieces of many past  traditions.  The roots of Santa are ancient.  No one said the Slavic sun goddess was the original Santa - what a sad lack of reading comprehension on the part of the PP who claimed that.  It was one of many examples given of Santa features that pre-date Christianity itself, thus clearly showing (or it should be clear, anyway) that Santa as we know him is not wholly, or even mostly, derived from Christian texts or a saint.

I can't even remember the original point of this thread, but [b]I think it had to do with non-Christians celebrating Christmas, Christians popping up to claim they basically have a monopoly on Christmas [/b]and that it's disrespectful for others to celebrate it, and then people trying to show that the most popular Christmas traditions aren't rooted in Christianity in the first place.

But unfortunately, as usual on dcum, ignorance reigns supreme and many posters are either trolling or just incapable of understanding history.  How sad for those of us who have spent out lives trying to teach it.[/quote]

Nope. It’s rich that you’re accusing others of lack of reading comprehension. Please point to the post that said Christians have a monopoly on Christmas. Look, it’s great you have a PhD in modern European or Slavic history or something, but your insults and distortions suggest you’re not an academic at all.

What you’re missing/refusing to understand is that a vomit bucket of posts from places like Mongolia, cut and pasted from an atheist blog, just isn’t persuasive and barely constitutes argument. Were those yours? How embarrassing for you.

You’re also missing that nobody here seems to care that Santa is a myth, and that he may even come in part from earlier myths. But Santa also brings new things to the folklore, such as 1) St. Nicholas around 300AD and 2) the gospel’s wise men who brought gifts to the baby Jesus. THAT’s how history works, sorry someone on DCUM needs to explain it to you.

— A history major from a great college who got a graduate degree and now does research in a different field [/quote]

Some posters on this thread are rejecting *everything* not Christian.

This rejection of historical folklore goes way beyond one post about a Slavic goddess. 
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Cite please. As a historian you should be able to provide cites. [/quote]

I’m not the historian, but many posts with non-religious origins were removed even though they were legit and very much relevant to the discussion. About Odin, shaman, the origin of Santa & gift giving in the US, Krampus, etc.

Someone just rejected Odin again. 
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/180/1096836.page#23886353
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Shaman? What about shaman? You can't just toss out vague names and expect us to agree.

The Smithsonian (not your average blogger) says that "Krampus has nothing to do with Christianity." Also this: "A mangled, deranged face with bloodshot eyes tops a furry black body. Giant horns curl up from his head, displaying his half-goat, half-demon lineage." https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/krampus-could-come-you-holiday-season-180957438/

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Krampus was part of the inspiration for Santa’s nice/naughty list. I posted details but they were deleted. Feel free to google. 
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What was the "nice" part?[/quote]

Why would I spend the time to put together a thoughtful post that will just get deleted?

Google it. [/quote]

Translation: despite my claim, there’s nothing “nice” about Krampus. So I will just stomp off in a huff. [/quote]

Reread what I wrote. I didn’t say anything about Krampus being “nice”. Why are you misrepresenting what I wrote?

Again, I already posted about it, but someone got it deleted. Not bothering to do it again. 
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Nope. At 9:55 today you wrote “Krampus was part of the inspiration for Santa’s nice/naughty list.”

Again, what’s the “nice” part, lol. [/quote]

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