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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]while giving the finger to all Americans by willfully deleting evidence from Jan 6th, Dept of Homeland Security:

* utilizes companies like [url]https://gov.data2www.com/vendor/USA/965542876[/url] to create for their spies up to 10 fake FB identities that can be used to engage " suspects " online 
( using social intelligence to pretend to be a contact of your's on a social media site to see who your other friends are , what you talk about... all without a warrant , of course

* route emails from MENA through their servers prior to reaching family, friends , business associates in the USA so that they can effectively READ the mail of ANY American they want- again without a warrant

* operate hundreds of FUSION centers throughout the USA, which require their DHS employees to meet quoatas on " reported suspicious activity " :

[url]https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-fusion-centers[/url]

* use Pegasus to hack any phone they " deem appropriate" ( again without a warrant) , read your email, your texts, download your contacts, track your location

* use drones to fly over protest sites sweeping up cell phone data to identify protesters

* deploying facial recognition technology in every city , transport hub in America so that they can track whomever they want, whenever the feel like it

* contracting with Apple , Ring, local police departments so that Americans will voluntarily accept rebates for security cameras in their neighborhoods- like DC's program. Effectively, signing up for surveillance without a warrant

DHS can do ALL of that , but they supposedly ...oooops lost all their internal communications from the day of an attempted Coup- Jan 6th

This agency should have never been created- it's actions  violates our constitution, it holds Americans in contempt - and it should be disbanded

If the USA really wants to " be safe" post- 9/11 - go after the people who did it- Saudi Arabia

Wow.  I knew it was invasive, but not this invasive.  Is anyone in congress (either party) interested in fixing these abuses??[/quote]

Is anyone paying attention while our civil liberties are being dismantled?[/quote]
Lots of liberals have been talking about it since W really accelerated it. We have been called a host of names. [/quote]
oh yes, I recall Rs (myself included back in the 90s/early 2000s) saying to liberals that you have nothing to be afraid of if you are not a criminal regarding the Patriot Act.

You won't find any conservative news outlets back then complaining about the erosion of civil liberties.

Yes, I left the R party a while ago, and I don't mind having cctv. I think it keeps us safe.  It could've been used to get the woman in the video who was seen trying to plant something near the Capitol during 1/6.

Cops use security cameras all the time to find criminals.  I don't see using ring cameras or cctv to be all that different, just more of them. Shrug.. don't break laws, you have nothing to worry about.

I also think it's fantastic that it was the security video at MAL that caused the FBI to get the warrant.[/quote]

Again, wrt the 1/6 bomber there is CCTV footage from US Capitol Police cameras on South Capitol Street, DNC cameras, RNC cameras and residential Ring cameras. We can assume there is additional footage from Library of Congress and other US Capitol Police cameras based on the detailed tracking information released by the FBI. There are cameras monitoring every thoroughfare and intersection around the Capitol. I’m not sure more surveillance is what is needed. [/quote]
again, there was clearly not enough of them around if they can't identify her. She masked up before she got to the areas around the Capitol. If there had been cameras everywhere outside the Capitol, it would've been more difficult for her to mask up and get to the Capitol.  Ring cameras are not *everywhere*, and there are a lot of blindspots.

You would be a terrible being in charge of security.[/quote]

So the answer is a camera every 10 feet? Have you ever lived in an urban environment. There were at least 3 cameras in that part of the alley alone, snd multiple cameras on the RNC. Have you ever lived in a city? [/quote]
Yes, if there is cctv *everywhere* it would be a lot easier to catch criminals.

If there are so many cameras in the city, how did this terrorist manage to avoid the camera without her mask?[/quote]

Cameras really do not do much good. London bombing had 6,000 hours of cctv. It was of little help. DC does not have the same number of cameras. You just do not get that good of a picture of the subject and you can only track forward/back till there is a gap in the coverage. [/quote]
Funny you should mention the London bombing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11534951

[quote]The four suspects were isolated on railway station footage within four days of the attacks.

Day three of the inquests saw previously unreleased CCTV of the men buying DIY supplies for the bombs.[/quote]

Contrast to 1/6, over 18 months, and we still have zero clue.[/quote]

I was actually in London at the time. The cameras were of little use. They were able to track some of the suspects back to train stations but they Lost track of them after that. They identified the bodies and piece together their movements. They were looking for people who helped them or were part of the group. CCTV did not help. The Uk anti terrorist system was built to stop external threats not internal. The same problem we have here. [/quote]
Ok, but they were able to identify them, including them buying DIY supplies to make the bombs.

[quote]The four suspects were isolated on railway station footage within four days of the attacks.

Day three of the inquests saw previously unreleased CCTV of the men buying DIY supplies for the bombs[/quote]

whereas  we cannot even identify the 1/6 terrorist.[/quote]

Their bodies were identified. They were suicide bombers. Once their bodies were ID they put together their movements. By the evening of the attack they had video of the men tracing them back to a point where they got on a train. These was released to the public. The cameras did not identify them. I think you are over valuing the use of cameras. It’s not like on tv with facial recognition. 
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