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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for.  [b]I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs[/b].  I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution.  I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian [b][sic] [/b]propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall.   But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.[/quote]

[b]When you say "religious people" you are excluding Americans that are religious and practice religions outside of Christianity. [/b] You do realize that Buddhism, Hinduism, 
Islam, Judaism, and other religions practiced here do have more open views on abortion, and don't necessarily outlaw or forbid them as Christians have done.

Perhaps it's you that needs expand your bubble and realize that religion in America is not limited to Christianity.  Although, based on this Supreme Court, that no longer seems the case.

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You are wrong.  [b]When I wrote religious people, I meant religious people.[/b] [/quote]

:shock:

Jews aren't religious? Or do you believe that they have to vote in line with Christianity, instead of Jewish beliefs?[/quote]

Many muslims do not support abortion especially after 120 days.  Generally Hindus do not suppprt abortion either.  Buddhism actually teaches away from abortion though many Buddhists seem to support it.   On the flip side many liberal christians support abortion-christians are not monolithic on this.  And many individual jews do not support it-they are not monolithic either.  Also abortion is not the ony issue.   Regardless everyone has a right to vote in accordance with their own values- whether those values stem from their faith or not, and whether their values align with those of the liberal platform or not.

https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/6/24/what-six-american-religious-sub-groups-think-about-abortion
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/21/where-major-religious-groups-stand-on-abortion/[/quote]

Yeah, no. You presented the religious and liberals as two separate groups, as if liberals cannot be religious, and the religious cannot be liberal.

Bullsh!t. [/quote]

The post clearly says "[b]some[/b] liberals".  And it is clear from the many liberals bashing christianity and other religions on this forum that some liberals think religious people should only vote in accordance with their own values if their values are in alignment with the liberal platform.[/quote]
I’m a liberal. I’m religious. Christian, actually. I bash Christianists that scorn learning, science and Jesus’s words. I deplore fundamentalism and extremism, and it seems that’s all that regressives can be these days.

Today’s Christianists seem to have lost their humanity. [/quote]

DP.  The phrase "Christianist" refers to fundamental Christianity.  So it seems you actually are a fundamentalist.[/quote]

DP...  fundamentalists seem to have never gotten beyond the Old Testament.  They focus entirely on Old Testament hell and brimfire and completely throw out everything actually taught by Christ about tolerance, compassion et cetera in the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.  It completely baffles me why they even call themselves Christians when they trample Christ's actual teachings the way they do.[/quote]

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