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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another. [/quote]

If you get into Princeton and Columbia for undergraduate, the odds are you are going to attend Princeton because it has a greater focus on undergraduate education, offers its undergraduates institutional resources that Columbia doesn't provide, and is located in a safe and beautiful location.  There is a cohort that will always prefer Columbia because it's in New York City, and some students prefer urban environments and to live more independently, but changing an acronym isn't going to move that needle significantly.

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I have yet to see anyone (personally) who got into both and chose Columbia.  In the 5-6 cases all chose Princeton[/quote]

Same with Princeton vs. Yale or Harvard. It's a notch below HYPM if you really want to split hairs like this, sure. I went to H/Y and Andover. Most techies chose MIT or Stanford. Harvard or Yale for the prestige. Princeton is like the ugly cousin for rich, well-endowed nerds and athletes who don't have the stats to get into any of them, but just connections.  [/quote]

That is a very strange post .  Single choice early action fills up about forty percent of the class at PY and H.[/quote]

Right, it was back in my days. Still P ranks the lowest of HYPSM if you really want to split hairs like this to make P look bad relative to their #1 US News Ranking when it's more like #5 based on real student preferences followed by Columbia and Penn maybe. Maybe 20 years ago it could outshine Stanford or MIT but not anymore these days. And kids do prefer big cities now. SCEA does not require you to commit to one school unliked ED. [/quote]

Not always true by any means.

I know some students who chose Columbia over Harvard, and several who chose Columbia over Stanford. The excitement of the undergraduate programs at Columbia College and in being able to benefit from New York City were significant pluses that these students sought with keen interest. [/quote]

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