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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.[/quote]

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?[/quote]

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.[/quote]

I disagree.  Performing well on a test doesn’t necessarily mean you are smarter or a better student.[/quote]

There is nothing that proves that you are smarter or a better student.      But standardized testing is a useful tool when evaluating students.[/quote]

When evaluating them for what?  And don't just say "qualified for admission", please be specific about personal qualities of a prospective student that standardized testing illustrates.[/quote]

It’s definitely not perfect but I feel that since khan academy is free it is a more useful indicator (since costly prep isn’t necessary.) It is an additional piece of info. My child worked their tail off preparing with  khan academy and got upper 1500s. To me that seems more relevant  to her likelihood of success in college than her sports and clubs. [/quote]

So really you don’t know.

It’s a terrible measure. GPA is a good measure [/quote]

How can GPA be a good measure when it is to subjective and different across schools and even across teachers in the same school? [/quote]

Because it shows ability to learn not what you have learned.

All teachers are subjective even the A ‘s you get at a top private school. They may give you the benefit of the doubt.

But GPA measure how you perform in your environment... if you can get a 4.0 in a terrible school system it still shows you perform at the top of your class. If you miss points on the SAT it means you never learned that not that you can’t learn it. Who care if somebody wasnt taught a random fact... the question is could they have learned it if taught it.

Schools don’t need kids that have learned a ton, they need kids that are teachable, GPA shows teach ability.

Also outside activities show a whole lot more than SAT. The “March for our lives” kids all got into Ivy colleges. Their GPA and SAT were lie but they showed they could create a movement.

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One of those Parkland kids subsequently got kicked out of said Ivy for racist Facebook posts.  Not sure that’s a particularly good example.[/quote]

He was not a “March for our lives” kid. He was the conservative pro gun lunatic. That’s what happens when Ivys try to pretend they support conservative views.

SAT was only a good measure when students didn’t study. It was supposed to find the rare gem and the test prep/khan made that impossible and it’s usefulness is long gone.[/quote]

Kids who get good grades also study so if studying is bad, grades are a bad measure.  The truth is that both grades and SAT are good tools and I expect that schools will continue to use both for affluent students.  They won’t look at test scores among populations it disadvantages.[/quote]

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