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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]And the constant pretending that school's only role is to provide a method for a teacher to broadcast information to students as though teaching and not learning was the more important activity. That it's childrens' and parents' fault if the kids aren't effectively learning in this situation. That schools have no other social roles, including community health, civic education, socialized daycare, socialization, community building and integration, etc.

No. Schools are simply a method for teachers to teach. And if kids aren't learning, well, it doesn't matter if the teachers say they're working hard enough.

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This is well-put. If we all start this discussion in agreement that in-person learning works best for all students, then we should end the discussion in agreement that long-term DL does not work for all students. we agree. If we want to decide that the safety of adults in school buildings is more important than educating children due to the circumstances of the pandemic, then we should be honest about it. We are sorry that we are providing a sub-par educational experience for your children, but we think the risk of getting sick outweighs any and all concerns about education. That way, there is nothing to argue about. It is what it is.[/quote]

Well, I would say we can still argue about the ethical merits of prioritizing the interests of adults over those of children, and more broadly, the interests of the elderly over the young. It is an important issue that should be at the core of our larger discussion about how to live with this virus.[/quote]

Absolutely, there is room for disagreement in how we prioritize interests, without being dismissive of the any concerns about risks, whether they are health risks or risk to the education or development of children. You and I can have a meaningful discussion about the ethics of how these interests are prioritized Absolutely. I just wish more people would use undisputed facts to frame the analysis.

PS - I realize that the childcare person is a troll. [/quote]

The problem is that the question how significant the risk to the non-elderly teacher without comorbidities actually is isn't a matter of undisputed facts. To the contrary, there is a lot of dispute about that. I think we can all agree that the risk to teachers is not zero, but [b]evidently people cannot agree how big it actually is[/b]. So it's not quite as easy to boil it down to the questions of interests and ethics outlined above.[/quote]

I guess that's true. However, not every teacher will get COVID and even those who get COVID may not get sick. Every student is impacted in some way by not going to school. At least that's one way of looking at it.[/quote]

Some charters have been open in-person since the beginning of the school year - almost two and a half months. Are there any lessons learned or evidence on the risk? [/quote]

And, are they doing regular testing to know who is positive or not?  You can open schools but you cannot say they are fully  safe.  In DC, its a bigger risk with more low income and many may not have health insurance.  [/quote]

Again, actual experience won't be enough to demonstrate the the risk is not as great as many believe (assuming that the metrics reflecting community spread are appropriate for in person learning). The potential risk to teachers outweighs any actual harm to students. [/quote]

Teachers are more at risk driving than teaching at schools. [/quote]

This has nothing to do with teachers but many of us are risk adverse.  I don't want to die nor do I want my family members to.  Its easy to say its ok when its someone else's family. You really don't care about anyone but yourself.  If your child isn't thriving, what are you willing to do in your home to make it better for them?  If you want us to return to school, what are you willing to sacrifice to get us back to school? [/quote]

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