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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating.  Their kids had access to what would be on the test.  Every other child (prepped or not) did not.   The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers.  (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.  [/quote]

What? They had no way of knowing what would be on the test.  [/quote]

They have said that they saw the questions during their prep classes at Curie. I believe the students when they say they had no idea that Curie was cheating, and I also believe them when they say that they saw test questions before the test.[/quote]

Do we know for sure whether Curie students saw "exact same" questions at Curie before the TJ test, or similar questions?[/quote]

The kids sure seem to know for sure. I doubt that the kids were given a copy of the test, or even that Curie was given a copy of the test.

What has been reported on TJ Vents is that students took the test back in 2017 - the first time it was administered for the Class of 2022 (which dropped from 75% Asian to 65% Asian and raised URM from 3% to 9%) - then came back to Curie with questions memorized. The exam consists of 28 math puzzles, so it's not hard to believe that the questions would be memorable. [b]This is the part that is considered to be cheating because the Quant-Q is supposed to be secure. Anyone who sees the test, proctor or student, is required to sign a statement promising not to discuss any of its content - something that does not happen with nearly any other standardized exam.[/b]

Students come to Curie, who has both the questions from the 2022 exam and a bank of questions that they have developed that are similar to show the techniques needed to solve each type of problem quickly and efficiently. The students coming in likely have no idea that Curie is working off of materials that they aren't supposed to have, and no one knows who provided it to them except for them, as it's possible that the students who brought the questions back didn't even get into TJ.

2023 and 2024 students go to take the Quant-Q, and realize "Wow, I've seen this question before!" and subsequently create a huge imbalance in the admissions process - [b]because TJ applicants are selected for the semifinal round based on a national percentile, not a raw score[/b]. These students then go on to tell their friends that they had seen the questions before, and it makes it on to TJ Vents - which initially redacts the name of the company and its leader but both are posted in the comments.[/quote]

PP, who are you to know all these development in such details?  Are you a parent of a kid in TJ so you have followed TJ Vents?  Are you are student/alumni who follow TJ Vents?  Why are you so invested in the process?  My kid did not go through Curie to get into TJ, so I am not here to defend Curie.  I just hate to see all TJ kids are referred to as cheaters without any considerations.[/quote]

DP. Its not too hard to piece all this together if youve been paying attention the last month or so. The simplest explanation is usually right.[/quote]

In other words, all based on anonymous sources without verifiable or first hand information, and didn't take into account the tendency of exaggeration or outright misleading statements in these boards.[/quote]

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