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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The fact that people perceive that "Ivy League" means something [i]more[/i] than a sports conference doesn't actually make it more than a sports conference. Similarly, the fact that people perceive that "Public Ivy" means something doesn't make it more than a writer's attempt to sell books. Perception is not reality. It's a lot of things, but not "real".

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See, this is where you are failing badly.  If people take a word to mean something, then that is what it means.  End period.  You don't get to decide.  It's not a "hot dog isn't a sandwich" argument; it's how language works.

For the record, the Ivy league is actually, and literally more than a sports conference, as it co-ordinates on many things.  [b]Most obvious example is they all co-operate on RD admissions dates.  They share ED/EA information with each other to ensure compliance.[/b]  They have conferences for their professionals - administrators, admissions people, and academicians -- which have nothing to do with sports.  They market together.  The have library and research cooperatives.  So, even by your very narrow definition, you are also wrong.[/quote]

As coordinated through the sports recruiting process: 
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/rulesummary/ivysummary.pdf

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Very dishonest.  That is NOT what that document says, in fact it says the opposite:

[i]"The general Ivy principle is that recruited athletes should be considered for admission and financial aid, and should be notified of decisions about their admission and aid, on the same basis and under the same procedures as all other Ivy undergraduate students. "
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What you posted is simply the rules for athletic admissions and practices. The one item created in these rules that does affect all students is the computation of the AI.  When the admissions officers meet at their annual conference, they discuss all admissions, not just athletes.

Please be honest in your arguments and don't try and gish gallop and a mic drop.  You'll get called on it every time.
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Conference just for admissions officers from schools in the Ivy League? Or all admissions officers?  Even still, that’s weak.

But they do put it best:
[i]“Joint Statement for Candidates on Common Ivy Admission Procedure

The Ivy League is an association of eight institutions of higher education, established in 1954 [b]primarily for the purpose of fostering amateurism in athletics. [/b]Although the Ivy League institutions are similar in many respects, each member institution makes its own independent admission decisions according to its own particular admissions policy.”[/i]

https://www.brown.edu/admission/undergraduate/apply/ivy-league-joint-statement[/quote]

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