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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening? [/quote]

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.[/quote]

It did start because Diviney started trash talking a group of random strangers.  Initially the whole thing was going to end peacefully, but as the other group started to walk away, Diviney walked back to them and started trash talking again (I think there were some slurs involved, but I may be remembering that incorrectly).  When the other group reacted and threatened him, he started to back away but apparently kept making smart remarks.  One of the assailants punched him, he hit the ground, and then the other one kicked him in the head.

Nothing justifies the assault at all, but there is a lesson to be learned here on all sides about mixing alcohol, provocation and violence.[/quote]

That's the wrong lesson to be learned here.  The correct lesson is that [b]some people are crazy evil people who will kill you but do not wear warning signs that say that.[/b][/quote]

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NOTHING justifies what these monsters and their monster families did.  NOTHING.[/quote]

I think we should leave the families out of this completely.  They are not the people who killed Ryan Diviney nor should they be painted with the same brush as the two assailants are.  I, for one, don't expect anything from those families.  Of course they support their sons even though their kids did horrific things.  They are going to want the best outcome for their sons possible, whatever that may be.  It is up to society to to try these men for their crimes, though.  You can't blame their parents for the way the justice system has handled this whole nightmare.
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I have known parents who did nothing for their violent sons, who had anger issues from a young age.  I know what they are capable of, and yes, I blame the parents almost as much as the perpetrators. The kinds of kids were never told "no" or given the help or boundaries they need - they were not thrown out of high school when they clearly should have been, for assault and worse. That was the PARENTS choice and the PARENTS job, and the PARENTS failed.  You don't protect your child from being given appropriate consequences forever, because this is exactly what happens. That monster that those parents created -- took a son and brother and cousin and nephew away from their family. There is NO excuse for that. [/quote]

I don't know the parents and they have not been accused of any wrong doing.  It is possible for a young adult child to do something awful w/o the parents playing any role in it.  I don't think it's fair to vilify an entire family for the actions of one family member.

These young men were old enough to be accountable for their actions.  It is not their parents' fault that the justice system failed to punish them accordingly.  And, on a separate note, it is not the parents' fault that the high schools didn't expel these young men.  If the young men were major discipline problems and a danger to the other students why the heck weren't they expelled?  Kids get expelled for a heck of a lot less than that.

Did either of these young men have a history of bad, violent behavior? [b] I do find it hard to believe that what they did to Ryan was their first violent encounter...[/b][/quote]

My money is on the fact that it likely was not their first rodeo, and their parents have gotten them off the hook before. It is typical for this behavior.

You need to learn more about criminal behavior. [/quote]

Yeah, I said I doubt that this was their first violent encounter.[/quote]

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