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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If only you understood how what you posted totally supports the other position. Every single point you make drives home the similarities. It's like that SNL sketch, "No it's fine, we call ourselves Jon Bovi! It's totally different!" :-) Also, you responded to a post that admitted a man Jesus may have existed, and even prominent scholars and atheists like Bart Ehrmann believe that is true; however that gives no documentation to the historicity of the supernatural Jesus, and none of the supernatural aspects have any contemporaneous accounts. Wouldn't they have been big news? [/quote] Well. It created the world’s largest religion with approximately 2.4 billion members 2 thousand years later, so you could say big news is an understatement. The Bible documents Jesus well....the most read book in the world is the Bible. Writer James Chapman created a list of the most read books in the world based on the number of copies each book sold over the last 50 years. He found that the Bible far outsold any other book, with a whopping 3.9 billion copies sold over the last 50 years. Pretty good for a troublesome Jewish boy who never existed. [/quote] The Bible is a wonderful book but it's not documentation in the historical or archaeological sense. It's not independent evidence. Which isn't to say that events or personages mentioned didn't exist, but if someone wants proof, there has to be independent proof. There's never been any historical proof found of Israelites in Egypt, for example. That doesn't stop Jews from celebrating a major religious holiday associated with liberation, but if one is interested in archaeology, it must be acknowledged. There's enough evidence of Jesus that it's pretty clear he existed. Of course there can never be evidence that he performed miracles or was the son of G-d because those are matters of faith and not archaeology. [/quote] It's a great story. Period. Maybe there was some guy named Jesus. Maybe not. There is no proof (and, no, it's not "pretty clear he existed"). Doesn't really matter though. The STORY of Jesus is what changed the world. Not an actual person. People want to believe it. And people are happy to tell the story to control others. Everyone is happy. Pretty convenient story. [/quote] I'm not disputing that the story of Jesus and teachings attributed to him changed the world in many ways. But the question is about archaeological proof, which is different from a story. The lack of proof doesn't have to take anything away from the story, nor would proof necessarily add to it. Though for some people, I'm sure either would be true. Not sure why you are fixated on stories "controlling" others. All human societies have myths and origin stories to explain to themselves how they view the world and their place in it. [/quote]
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