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The "pool" in NYC is going to be heavily Asian no matter what. The stats at the "less competitive" magnets right now support this. [/quote]

PP.  Fair enough--I was just trying to think of a way to make the pool a bit more diverse, while also trying to scoop up a few more of the promising black/Latino kids.  Perhaps the metrics would need to be shifted a bit, or allow additional, weighted metrics, in order to achieve more diversity in the pool.  Just brainstorming.[/quote]

I hear a lot about the "promising black/Latino kids" who are left behind.  What about the vast pool of "promising Asian-American" who are left behind? Heck, what about the "proven Asian-American" who are left behind?  There are vastly more Asian-American students who are rejected inspite of having all the credentials, drive and promise that other races who are chosen.   The racism and the disregard shown towards the Asian-Americans by Whites as well as URMs is breathtaking in its arrogance, entitlement and blindness.  [/quote]

Nobody is trying to stop Asians from attending these schools. There should be a minimum score and anybody that gets that score should be admitted. Surely there are a huge number of qualified Asians that did well enough to prove they can handle the homework but were not admitted. Just like every other group. [b]The problem is skimming from the top only.[/b] [/quote]

:roll: I am ok with skimming from the top because the seats are limited.  If there is space for 700 students, and the top students (who APPLIED) include 7 Black students only, then I welcome these 7 Black students wholeheartedly.  They have made it because of their hardwork and brains.  They are no less than anyone else. They have not been admitted because of Affirmative Action. They have earned their place.

Now, [b]perhaps, schools and Black parents/students  need to study why and how these 7 students got in and emulate them.[/b]  If the reason these kids got in because they study 45 hours at home each week, then that is precisely what other URM students need to do to get in selective schools.  Don't turn Black/Hispanic kids into beggars who are looking for dole all the time.  Make them work hard so that they can proudly achieve high in academics. [/quote]

I'm curious too.  However, if it turns out that these kids are immigrants or children of immigrants, that's an important variable that can't be recreated in AA homes.  The immigrant experience is fundamentally different from the experience of Americans who've been here for many generations and who started out as enslaved people.[/quote]
The African American kids today are not children of slaves, or even grandchildren of slaves. Are you saying that the African American psyche is still one of "enslavement"?

Yes, the immigrant mentality is very different than generational American mentality, no matter the race.  You see this in Asian American communities, too.  Dollars to doughnuts many of those Asian students at Stuy are children of immigrants. The third, sometimes, second generation of immigrants are more like "real" Americans in that they don't work *as* hard. They are not as hungry to better themselves. I see this in my own family, where my parents, siblings and I are first gen immigrants.   My parents struggled. We saw them struggle, and we knew what "working hard" meant.  Our kids, mine included, don't have any sense of what it means to be "hungry", so they don't seem to be willing to work as hard.  They don't see their parents struggling; they don't have to be translators when they are still in ES for their parents.  My kids know that they have their parents to help them, while poor immigrant children don't.   Very different mentality.[/quote]

The African American kids of today are the grandchildren of segregation and Jim Crow. Of course it makes a difference. But this is also why race-based affirmative action is BS. Your recent immigrant from Nigeria is completely different from the descendants of slaves.[/quote]

Could well be, but the obvious implication is that millions of AAs should be planning to move to Nigeria to enjoy a better live and to better equip their kids for the future.[/quote]

Immigration is the ultimate selection bias. It takes incredible amounts of guts, hard work, or money to relocate to a different country. I’m sure the AAs who move to Nigeria would do great, along with the AAs who move literally anywhere else where they sensed opportunity. [/quote]
Which goes back to Americans, no matter what race, don't have the same drive and so they don't work as hard.  So I don't know why people keep bringing race into the picture.[/quote]

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