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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My kid got all Ps. 
They are proficient, as defined by MCPS. 
We're good to go. [/quote]

For five years my kid got all ps too.
Does this mean anything at all?  No, it was meaningless then and it is meaningless now.

What is does mean is that MCPS failed my kids. I have no idea how they were doing. They have no goals when they do their little exercises in class. Frankly the biggest carrot is to hurry through the exercises so they can double login and play in the Chromebook.[/quote]

You really have no idea how your kids are doing?  You have no way to evaluate beyond looking at the P?  Take out a paper from last year..look at the handwriting and spelling...look at the math complexity.  See what reading level they are on..[/quote]

You know there are people trained to determine the extent to which kids are adhering to educational standards, right? Without being an expert in educational attainment, you can't just take an English or math assignment out and say, "ok, yeah, Johnny's on track!" [/quote]
DP.. but a P means Johnny is on track.  If he's getting all Ps, then you know he was on track per the standards.  So now they get an A, B or C.  If your DC gets a B, what does that tell you?  That your DC is "on track".   I do like the A,B,Cs better though because it does provide a bit more details just how "on track" the student is.  Our school gave us a handout on what the new letter grades mean during open house.

But even with a P, if you review your DC's take home work,  you can kind of tell where the child is having difficulty.  [/quote]

You can tell if a kid is having difficulty, but if a kid is getting As or Ps in a system where an A or a P doesn't mean he/she is learning foundational skills sufficiently (something the audit said was the case in MCPS), then there isn't much a parent can do to figure out what the kid *should* be doing. You can try to piece together textbooks and things like that, but without being an educational professional, you're sort of shooting in the dark.[/quote]
And what foundational skill would you not be aware that your DC is missing simply because your DC got a P?  Maybe this is your school issue, because at our school, we get monthly newsletters from teachers that detail what the students are learning, and what they are expected to know.

If by foundational skills you mean grammar and spelling, then you should also be able to tell whether your child has such skills by looking at their writing take home work.  Read what they wrote, and you can see all the grammar and spelling  mistakes.   Same for math.

My 4th grader DC doesn't get straight As. As a matter of fact, I just had to review my DC's writing work and sign a piece of paper indicating that I reviewed them.  This is a weekly thing that the teachers require. DC got a couple of Cs, and we reviewed what DC did wrong. There were notes on the paper by the teacher of what DC was missing and needed to work on. I'm going to try to work on these issues at home with DC.  The issue DC is having has nothing to do with lack of "foundational skills" but everything to do with the fact that DC doesn't read the instructions or the text carefully and provide enough detail in the writing - an issue that I'm pretty sure a lot of ES children have.   Sure, DC has some grammatical and spelling errors, but that IMO, is no where near as important as making sure DC reads the instructions and the text, and answers the questions with detail, ie, critical reading and writing skills.

I'm not defending 2.0 or the ES/P grading system -- I wasn't a fan, either. But to say that you are not aware of what skills your children are missing simply because of the P doesn't mean much because that would be the same case if your DC got  a B instead of a P.[/quote]
Yes indeed. Yes indeed[/quote]

Did you read the audit? 2.0 didn't align with State Standards, so even if your kid got a P, it doesn't mean he/she met state standards for foundational skills. [/quote]
OMG! I know if my child can read , if my child can add. Are some random standards your only way of telling if your child is learning S****?
I don't live my life by standardized tests, they are but one bit of info that you use with an ENTIRE HOST of other things, like knowing if your child can read. Giving them extra things to read , doing workbooks, listening to them talk , are they putting together abstract concepts, can you get a general idea of how they are processing information , etc.
Gurrrl, if all you rely on is what other people tell you then you are a prime example of why this country is in the middle of a s**** show.
I feel sorry for your kids regardless if the curriculum .[/quote]

So really, you're arguing against having educational standards. It's not just about saying "oh, well, my kid can read. Great, I'm sure he'll be fine." You need some detail and nuance in terms of expectations; otherwise, any "supplementing" you're doing is shooting in the dark. [/quote]

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