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(BTW, Jesus here misunderstands the Pharisaic position - the decision to not follow the laws of ritual cleanliness itself comes FROM THE HEART.  Someone who violates the law accidentally, though they may be impure for ritual purposes, has not committed a sin.  Many sources of impurity (like menstruation) are completely involuntary, and do not imply a depraved heart or sinfulness.  As long as someone follows the law, and purifies as appropriate)[/quote]

Don’t want to get into the weeds of this or homosexuality. But Jesus made new laws and overturned old laws; he wasn’t simply misunderstanding old laws. It’s quite clear from his behavior in other contexts—eating with society’s outcasts, letting the woman with unbound hair wash his feet—that he really was overturning laws and rituals about impurity. Nothing accidental about it.  This is why he was so revolutionary. [/quote]

Jew here.

I was referring to the specific things he said/implied in that particular passage.  The contrast between laws against gossip and slander (what comes out of the mouth) vs the laws of ritual cleanliness, strongly suggests a misunderstanding of the latter laws.  Or maybe a deliberate misreading.   He is not just saying "I am God, I don't care about the ritual laws".  [/quote]

Yes, he is saying “I don’t care about ritual dietary laws.” You keep trying to put this in a Jewish ritual context and complain it’s a misunderstanding of that. It’s not. He’s deliberately saying, “don’t engage in gossip, slander, or hateful talk, because these are important, not dietary rituals.” I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about that. Speaking of deliberate misreadings, this seems like a deliberate misreading on your part.[/quote]

he is saying ritual cleanliness is not important - but not "because I am God, and I say so" but because it does not come from the heart. Again, a misreading, deliberate or not, of what the ritual laws are about. [/quote]

His words are clear on their face. He’s saying: drop the ritual dietary laws. This is exactly how Christians, starting with Paul just a few decades later, have interpreted these passages for two millennia. Jesus was an expert in wordplay and you’re missing what he’s doing here. Trying repeatedly to yank this back into your own Jewish context and waving your hands and saying ”Jesus was stoopid” doesn’t reflect well on your own intelligence or motives.[/quote]

This Christian interprets it the same way the Jewish poster above does. Not a deliberate misreading but one that reflects the spirit of the law. 
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