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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Scripted or reality tv.  Nope, still not real.[/quote]

Yes.  Real sex.  No green screens here. [/quote]

We are failing to communicate, aren't we?  You're saying that these women have no idea that they're going to be porn actors?  I'm saying that they know that.  I'm saying that the situations are acted out, they aren't real.  [/quote]

She/they are arguing this:

1. porn depicts very "depraved" acts

2. "no one" and then, later, "99%" of women would "never" agree to these acts, or actually want to do them

Therefore, all "consent" given through the contract between the studio and the actress is therefore invalid.

Her/their argument is pretty terrible though, since they rest on a massive "begging the question" fallacy.  Which, for those of you unfamiliar with the philosophical concept, means to "assume the truth of the conclusion of an argument in the premises in order for the conclusion to follow."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

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Actually, that's not what I'm saying.

1) I literally never said "depraved".  However, that works- to be more specific you could sub in violent, intentionally degrading, etc

2) The vast, vast majority human beings do not want to be punched, throttled, etc

3) Since a huge percentage of pornography involves women (and it's always the woman in male/female porn being treated this way) being subjected to these acts, that means that the [b]vast majority of women you see in porn being treated this way are not turned on, into it, etc.[/b]

Being subjected to physical violence is unpleasant as a rule. As human beings we all know this.  And yet, when men's boners are being threatened, they will attempt to deny even the most patently true facts.  This we know. [/quote]

Even if (and that is a BIG if - this thing about porn actresses not being "into" it is purely your conjecture) we accept all three of these premises, particularly the bolded,

So what?  Why do porn actresses have to be turned on in order to have consent?

You listed three premises.  Where is your conclusion?

I'm a woman, btw.  [/quote]

My point is that you are watching human beings being submitted to violence and abuse, that chances are, they are not in the tiny minority of people who are turned on by it.  And that violence and abuse is wrong.

Sad that you have to spell these things out, but on DCUM that's the level of compassion we're at... [/quote]

No, you said this was about the actors and how they basically can't consent.  Making it about the audience is a different topic

So why is it that a woman cannot agree to act in a porn clip where she is also not turned on?[/quote]

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