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French person here.

OK, cool down everyone. The sad truth is that the West will, and HAS TO, let Ukraine do the actual fighting (with significant sanctions and weaponry distribution), otherwise we risk an escalation into WWIII and possible nuclear use.

This was always the plan. Ukraine is not part of NATO, and you can argue forever about whether it was blocked to preserve the tenuous east-west geopolitical truce, but the fact is, it's not in NATO and does not have to be protected with the full military might of western countries.

Social media images of Ukrainian suffering will make us weep but will not change the plan.

However, I can promise you that sanctions are here to stay. These are the harshest ever implemented on Russia. The more genocide there is, the longer and more severe they will be, until the entire Russian economy collapses and Putin is forced out. That also will lead to immense suffering on the part of the Russian population.

There is no good option.

NATO will not risk it's populations safety and wellbeing by escalating this conflict beyond sanctions and arms/materials provision. It is already gearing up for a refugee crisis of millions of Ukrainians.

BUT - Putin has NO options AT ALL. He has cornered himself like a rat. He can all of Ukraine. But he will lose, because retribution will strangle his country's economy into oblivion. At some point his assets, instead of being frozen, may be seized outright depending on Hague tribunal decisions.

This is the beginning of the end for Putin.

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Well said. Thank you! [/quote]

But is the end of Putin something that will happen without Putin taking us all down with him? That’s my worry. He’s legitimately a psychopath, his ego is enormous, and he is intent on winning at every single chance. [/quote]

If NATO fears a Putin over-reaction in the nuclear department, they will tend towards de-escalation. There is nothing else to do, we cannot risk the entire European continent, and possibly, strategic US centers. We'll see what Putin does. But until today, NATO has not crossed the bounds of the alliance, has not send boots on the ground, has not threatened war on Russian soil, has not entertained seriously letting Ukraine into NATO, in short has done nothing at all to warrant Putin's war-mongering. This is strictly a Putin-inflicted debacle on Putin himself, his long-oppressed citizens, and these poor Ukrainians.

Nobody can explain WHY Putin is doing this. Some have claimed to observe cognitive decline such that his already long-existing paranoia has developed into a full-blown separation from reality, but others argue that he simply miscalculated Western unity, or is counting on the West's willingness to barter Ukraine for Russian energy. Who knows. Only time will tell.

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This is what is puzzling to me. As comforting as it is to believe Putin is just some bumbling idiot who miscalculated something just doesn't add up here and no I don't just buy the explanation he's power mad and wants to revive the USSR.  There's more going on than we're being told now. I know it's a different time and situation but I keep thinking about Bush and how we were fed one story about Iraq and we all went along with it because Hussein was a bad guy 
Something isn't adding up for me

I have one theory related to Saudi Arabia refusal to increase oil production and commitment to it's agreement with Russia is maybe to further cripple Western economies that are largely still in trouble because of the pandemic.[/quote]

No, there is no big lie or pretext for sanctions, Russia was the aggressor. You saw it with your own eyes. There are too many parties involved to create a fake scenario of events here, and one of Biden's key roles has been to keep all NATO countries united and in lockstep. Bush claimed unilaterally that there were WMDs. France's Chirac called his bluff (recall the whole Freedom Fries incident? Chirac was right. It may have been the only thing he is respected for). Many countries were deeply suspicious of the USA's claims.

Saudi Arabia is no friend to the West, but even if it were, its first loyalty will always be to OPEC countries, of which Russia is a member. Just like the western countries' first loyalty are to other NATO countries. [/quote]

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