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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots? [/quote]

Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice. [/quote]

At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.[/quote]

This explanation is very unsettling to those of us who are not pilots and do not work in aviation.

"It's hard to see things that are right in front of you while flying at night" is never going to satisfy anyone for an explanation for this crash.[/quote]

I can see how city lights and lights in the sky from a moving plane blur together and become hard to distinguish….but still.  [b]I just cannot wrap my head around these are Black Hawk pilots![/b] The are supposed to be the best and highly trained at flying in all sorts of difficult conditions and especially having had extra training to be flying around in DC with VIPs.  Then to have such a huge and obvious error happen, despite all their training, ATC warnings, three people on board, and the plane technologies,  is so hard to wrap my head around [/quote]

The same is true of the BH pilots. If the plane was a stationary light in the sky (traveling directly at them it would appear to not be moving) then they could have mistaken it for a city light on the ground. It's very hard to know right now what happened. The pilots in the plane missed the BH, and the BH pilots missed the plane. [b]Plus ATC was understaffed when they otherwise may have caught it in time.[/b] A perfect storm of conditions created the crash, and the NTSB investigation will expose/explain them all hopefully.[/quote]

The did "catch it in time." I don't know why people keep saying this. ATC saw it and gave instructions to BH to avoid collision. There is nothing else ATC can do. They don't have a joystick.[/quote]

Multiple instructions over the course of several minutes. Confirmed and re-confirmed that the helicopter had visual separation. Provided last second instructions to help the helicopter evade the plane (which it did not have to do because, again, the helicopter had TWICE confirmed it had visual separation and would be responsible for maintaining distance from the plane).

You can argue the ATC should have guessed that the helicopter might have identified the wrong plane and was looking at the plane further down the Potomac, and therefore provided more specific instructions to the helicopter about where the plane was. Fine. And perhaps if there had been a second ATC on duty assigned to helicopter traffic, this is what they would have done. But note this requires the ATC to realize that the helicopter has identified the wrong aircraft. It requires ATC to read the helicopter pilots' minds. I'm sure ATC do sometimes do that. But it's not technically part of their jobs.

I find it so odd that people seem determined to act as though these highly trained military pilots on the helicopter could not possible have been expected to identify the correct plane (even at night, even with ground lights, even wearing night vision goggles). If they identified the wrong plane, this is still their screw up. And regardless of which plane they identified, why did they rise to 350 ft and bank hard toward the middle of the river in violation of protocol for their flight path? Why did they do this right as they were passing the runways where planes flying north for landing will be landing, even after being alerted twice to the presence of aircraft landing at runway 33?[/quote]

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