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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One big takeaway from this conflict is that propaganda is a weapon. And like with any weapon, if you're not careful with it, you will get friendly fire. Ukraine is so saturated with propaganda that decision makers from the squad level on up do not have accurate information. This has led them to make disastrous decision after disastrous decision in their battle with the truth.

Some of the biggest follies that led to this state:
Invincibility of NATO equipment
Russia is out of ammo and demoralized
Russia is on the verge of civil war
10-1 kill ratios
Russia's economy is about to collapse

NATO/Ukraine ignored one of the oldest maxims in war: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

NATO/Ukraine now takes pride in neither knowing itself nor its enemy. [/quote]

I don't think anyone (other than some naïve posters on Reddit) subscribed to the assumptions you list.  At every point both Ukraine and NATO have stated that the counter-offensive would be hard fought, and victory was not assured.

That said, the UAF counter offensive doesn't seem to have much progress in its first days.  I don't know if that's a harbinger of trouble ahead, or just to be expected as the armored brigades push through the first lines of defense.   However, this is a war that rewards defense and punishes offense.  I wonder if Ukraine would have been better off to stockpile the NATO weapons for defensive use, and plan to bleed Russia dry for the next several years, even if that meant living with the current occupation in the east.  [/quote]

Those assumptions are all in this thread by sincere posters. Anyone disagreeing with those assumptions got called a Russian shill/bot/trollsky.

Keep in mind that many people on this forum consider themselves better informed than the general public and have influential positions.[/quote]

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