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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it. 
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But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.[/quote]

Why did they need to arrest him in the first place.  Is helping another person now a crime?  Standing on the side of the road with a phone?

Get the F out of here.  Stop rationalizing MURDER.[/quote]

Under the circumstances, Pretti was interfering with a law enforcement operation by standing in the middle of the street and interfering with the officers' when dealing with agitators. We don't know what was said during the altercation. After he was pepper sprayed, he continued to resist. He should have, at that point, moved away from the situation, especially while carrying a firearm. Not saying he deserved to die, but there are risks you take when putting yourself in that situation.
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I don’t understand what was happening before the shooting.  Why was he in the middle of the road and how did he plan on helping a person surrounded by armed ice agents?[/quote]

Exactly. Again, all of these actions alone don't justify lethal force. But the presence of a gun on the agitator during the scuffle changes things significantly. Moral of the story, leave the gun at home when attending tense protests.
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Please stop trying to assign blame to the victim of a murder.  Trust me, all this is leading to is an ICE agent getting shot in the face and every sane person in the country say, “well, he shouldn’t have been such a traitorous d@ckbag, he just escalated it.”[/quote]

Why did he bring a gun to a protest the? Was he planning to use it? One has to wonder...[/quote]

I'm not sure why this is confusing for you. He was allowed to carry a gun. Perhaps he thought violence would break out and he could be the "good guy with a gun" that we're always hearing about. Or he simply carries one for self defense. By your logic anyone who carries a gun is looking to murder people?? You don't realize how ridiculous you sound?[/quote]

He WAS the good guy with the gun.

(Which disproves the theory that they can stop the bad guys with a gun)[/quote]

Liberals are actually winning big here with gun control talking points. Guy probably would be alive today if he hadn't had a gun. [/quote]

He’s also be alive if he wasn’t murdered when he wasn’t even in possession of this firearm.[/quote]

Can you think of any other ways he might still be alive? I can[/quote]

Note that the agent who shot him (first shot and others although sounds like maybe another agent also fired) was right next to the agent who removed his gun, with plenty of room to see the gun having been removed.

He'd be alive if Minnesotans accept they have been living under DHS martial law and should not leave their homes for any reason whatsoever, since ICE actions occur everywhere at any time. The family tear gassed in their car returning from baseball practice should have accepted that. The Uber driver at the airport should have accepted that. The 17 year old grabbed at Target and later dumped, bleeding, at Walmart should have accepted that. Of course, that would not have protected the Hmong man from being dragged outside in single digit temperatures in his underwear because he insisted that a state prison inmate was not, in fact, living in his own house. All the people  whose car windows and front doors have been broken down should have accepted that.

And if they cannot avoid being outside in public at all, they should scurry away from any sign of DHS and cover their eyes. [/quote]

When you write it out like that, it is so chilling. My Republican brothers and sisters - is this really what you want our country to become? [/quote]
Yes, yes. That is exactly what the GOP wants this country to become.[/quote]

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