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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Americans are bad people.  Why are they allowing this? [/quote]

Americans are NOT bad people which is even why it’s even more perplexing that they are allowing this.  [/quote]

We are pretty selfish. But what I don’t understand is why all these “family first” republicans are not afraid this could happen at their own child’s school. Or they are, but their career comes first so they are willing to roll the dice? [/quote]

I think the Republicans are just brain-washed and filled with propaganda.  But they have always had a “this would never happen to me” attitude about everything.  [/quote]

We are afraid.  Go ahead, raise age to buy AR 15s to 21.  I think unfortunately, kids like Ramos will find another weapon.  Because we have a Constitution with a 2nd Amendment, eventually we will have to roll up our sleeves and get serious about why kids are doing this.  Why didn't this happen all the time in the 80s?  Why now? What is the cause?  How are we growing these monsters.[/quote]

I’m so tired of the “this didn’t happen before the 80s!” BS.

Mass murders are part of human nature. Mass lynchings,  Salem witch trials, mobs, etc have been around for hundreds of years.

The first mass shooting on record in the US was in 1891 (which was a school shooting, btw). They probably occurred before then.

What happened was that guns became deadlier and more readily available. Period. Weapons are developed for soldiers and then manufacturers sell to civilians to make more money.

Gun control legislation began in the 1930s because people were using machine guns like the Tommy gun to conduct mass shootings. The did this by taxing them heavily, so most people could not afford them.

The AR-15 was produced by one manufacturer, Colt, and they did not produce many. They even stopped production after the AR-15 was first used for a mass shooting. But the patent expired and other manufacturers picked it up and begun churning them out and heavily marketing them. Then the repeal of the assault weapons ban made them profitable again. Now you can pick one up and pay in installments, so you can get an AR-15 basically for free.

This is not complicated. We need to stop pretending there was this halcyon era where mass murders did not occur. They have always occurred. There was no magical event other than people now have easy access to deadly weapons. That’s it. End of story.

That first mass shooting at a school in 1891? Either zero or no one died (records are unclear) because it was a more primitive weapon. It was not a wartime weapon literally designed to kill as many humans as quickly as possible. We have records in hunter-gatherer cultures were the same weird, asocial, male murderers exist as they do in our culture. The difference is they have very primitive weapons like stone tools and so very few people are killed, if any.

I can’t believe this is still even a discussion. Literally every other developed country has figured this out and we’re still over here throwing our hands up like a mysterious mind-altering event happened. No. There have always been killers, there will always be killers, it’s our responsibility to keep them from getting deadlier weapons.

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