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You are assuming the khimar may have been worn for protection from the sun instead of modesty reasons. We know that modesty is important in Islam because God asked women to use that cloak or shawl to cover women's breasts. He asked women to cover their adornments too. He didn't ask women to wear the khimar to protect themselves from the sun. Hair is often used to attract people of the opposite sex. It can be seen as a woman's adornment. As such, it can be assumed that covering it is in keeping with the modesty requirement. [/quote]

If God had wanted women to cover their hair, wouldn't He have been clear on such an important issue? Why is it necessary to make assumptions about an important point like this? Further, why can't we make assumptions that go in a different direction, e g., that women aren't responsible for men's urges, but instead men should learn, as a religious duty, to control their own urges.[/quote]
God didn't say women are responsible for men's urges.  He also asked men to lower their eyes and control themselves. [/quote]

Jesus said that. "But I say to you, anyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery in his heart. If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it away...."  Harsh, maybe, but it puts the responsibility where it belongs. Is there a comparable Quranic verse?[/quote]
Why SHOULD there be one? Why do you want Islam to be just like Christianity?[/quote]

Of course not. But if there's no verse in the Quran, and no teaching by scholars, that men are responsible for their lust and their actions, then it is further proof that Islam is fundamentally anti-woman and not feminist. From what I know, which is probably less than most posters on this thread, women are unequal in Islam, lesser compared to men. A head covering is a visual part of that. [/quote]

As PP has pointed out, there is a verse about men lowering their gaze.  Given the times, Islam in my view cannot be construed as anti-women.  It forbade the practice of infanticide, most commonly practiced on female babies.  It guaranteed women the right of inheritance from both their husbands and their parents, giving widows and orphans some means to support themselves.  The testimony of women was accepted legally.  Women were given the right of divorce and the right to put whatever other conditions they wished in their marriage contracts.
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Actually, we only have Islam's word on the claim that in pre-Islamic Arabia none of that was possible.  And it is of course in the interest of Islam to paint the time before it with a dark brush.  From the example of Mohammad's first wife, who grew up pre-Islam, we know that women before the advent of Islam had money, ran businesses, hired men, and proposed to candidates of their choosing directly.  That doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. [/quote]

His first wife also wouldn't let him take additional wives.[/quote]
We don't know whether she wouldn't let him, or whether he didn't want to. Don't make things up.[/quote]

He married others - after apparently being devoted to his first wife for many years - for political and religious reasons.  to honor the dead men who fought in the name of Islam, to build connections with other tribes

So these women were simply props - no different from how they were used when they were married off for their dowries.  But in this case, it was to further Islam.  [/quote]
You don't know WHY he married others. Don't make things up.

You also don't seem to know that in Islam, the dowry belongs to the woman. [/quote]

You're a moron -  plain and simple b/c you just don't get the analogy
For years women have been props, property - and this is especially true in Islam.

Furthermore, I was the one who mentioned that your beloved prophet married these women to honor the dead men who were martyrs for Islam and to make connections to other tribes.

once a prop, always a prop
in Islam, that is

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To be fair, lots of us were already aware of the building alliances motive. This included alliances with other tribes. I've been pounding away at it above.[/quote]

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