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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another atheist, who does not believe in hell, or any afterlife.

So what happens if a murderer/rapist/abuser does not "find" the correct religion/god in their life. Do they get a pass to repent, and then go to heaven?

But then again how can a murderer/rapist/abuser not know that their actions are wrong, no matter what, regardless of believing in a religion/god?

How can a god NOT put a murderer/rapist/abuser in hell, even if they "repent" a million times over?

And if repentance is not necessary to enter heaven, then what's the point of religion/god?

Ultimately I don't believe in any of it. The heaven/hell/afterlife question is just one of many, many reasons why I don't believe in religion/god. [/quote]
Repentence IS necessary to enter Heaven. And what would the threshold be for evil acts before you're disqualified? That's why the murderer/rapist/abuser argument is tough to defend down the line. When do the scales get tipped so that you're beyond hope? But God in His love and mercy is willing to forgive anyone who seeks forgiveness through Christ.[/quote]

Situation:

The child rapist dies b/c  the father of the child he raped and killed shot him in the heart.  The rapist dies and is traveling around until he sees St. Peter at the pearly gates.  He becomes frightened and repents.  He enters heaven.

The father who shot him dies of a broken heart.  He floats to the pearly gates but doesn't repent, feeling as though he had been justified in killing that fucking bastard who took his daughter's life.  He is condemned to hell.

What's wrong with this picture, you nutty Christians?  
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It's easy to make people look silly when you caricature their beliefs, but this scenario does not get at what Christianity teaches.....[/quote]

It's easy to represent Christian (or any) beliefs into what suits you best -- as it seems both you and progressive Christian are doing in your own ways. [/quote]

Ahhh, but the difference is clear.  I (the progressive Christian) freely admit that I could be wrong.  Over and over again I have stated that I have prayed about it and meditated on issues like this and find myself coming back to one thing - God is love.  I have studied spirituality and world religion for years and pulled from many sacred texts.  I am 100% positive that no one is "right".  However, I do believe with absolutely certainty that the "hell" fundie Christians love to hold over people's heads is not Biblical.  And more importantly it is in direct conflict with everything God is.  A loving God - the Creator of all that is - would not create a system where people risk an eternity in hell for lack of exposure to the Bible.  That just makes no sense at all to any thinking person.[/quote]

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