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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And about that Abu Sufyan...he didn't simply like mouthy women.  His family was famous for them.  Let's talk a little bit about another jahiliya woman who made her political opinions - that she had no use for Muhammad whatsoever - clearly known without any guardian or any such nonsense (exactly what the poster would have you believe simply did NOT happen pre-Islam).  She was Abu Sufyan's sister named Umm Jamil.

Umm Jamil was the wife of Abu Lahab, Muhammad's uncle, who succeeded his other uncle, Abu Talib, who raised Muhammad, and despite never converting to Islam, gave Muhammad's clan some protection.  After Abu Talib's death, Abu Lahab decided he didn't like his nephew after all, and turned him out by withdrawing protection over his group.   Not one to forget the grudge, [b]Muhammad delivered a Quranic verse cursing both Abu Lahab and his wife[/b]:

[b]Not quite. The author of the Quran is not Muhammad. It is Allah/God. Therefore, it was God Himself who delivered the verse cursing Abu Lahab, not Muhammad. Muhammad himself was an extraordinarily peaceful man. God was angry that his uncle betrayed His messenger.[/b]

1. May the hands of Abu Lahab perish, may he (himself) perish.

2. His wealth avails him not, neither what he had earned.

3. Soon will he roast in a flaming fire,

4. And his wife, the bearer of the firewood,

5. Upon her neck a rope of twisted palm-fibre.

Why such rancor among people whose sin was not believing? Abu Lahab wasn't very nice to Muhammad, and neither was his wife Umm Jamil.  Muhammad, according to some sources, was deeply stung that his own uncle would turn him out like that, as well as ridicule him for the death of his two young sons.

[b]Here you go again, not telling the full truth. It wasn't that they weren't very nice. They were trying to kill or injure him.
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But I digress. Why do we care about Umm Jamil?

Because when she learned that Muhammad was carrying about with the verse cursing both of them, she grabbed a stone pestle and rushed to where Muhammad was - no doubt, to give him the what-for.   God, glory be, was not sure how Muhammad would fare against the stone pestle, and quickly made him invisible.

"I have been told he's satirizing me", said Umm Jamil. "By God, if I found him, I would have smashed his mouth with this stone."  With this stone! (Not for Umm Jamil the subtle micro-aggression.  Nuh-huh.  The girl went all out when she did).   Then, she made her political opinion known by reciting this:

"We reject the reprobate. 
His words we repudiate.
His religion we loathe and hate."

There you have it, ladies.  The oppressed, chattel-like women of jahilyia running about with stone pestles, declaring their political opinions loud and clear - just not the ones Muslims like to talk about. [/quote]

And if the wife was evil enough to throw thorns in the Prophets path so his feet would be cut and if she wanted him death, it should follow that all women held lofty positions of right and privilege in pre-islamic Arabia? Is this your persuasive argument?  Her husband completely supported her in his own view so she was simply supporting her husband's position against the Prophet.

Nice try disparaging Islam again.[/quote]

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