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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]Muslima, how would you recommend Israel eliminate Hamas (or at least eliminate their ability to attack Israeli civilians) without any adverse effect on Gaza's civilian population?[/quote]
Why do you think Hamas needs to be eliminated?[/quote]

Do you think it's okay that Jew-killing is an explicit part of Hamas's charter?

I'm a new poster here and am deeply conflicted. I am a Jew. I am absolutely NOT OKAY with killing civilians and children. Duh. But I also think that Palestinians are suffering for having elected a party that has as part of its platform [i]killing another ethnicity. [/i] Can we stop ignoring that? Can we stop pretending that Hamas wouldn't bomb the hell out of Israel if they could?

If Hamas explicitly disavowed violence towards Jews -- or heck, even just eliminated it from its charter -- I'd feel a lot more convinced that Israel  had another option. [/quote]

That's not true. Again, the more I'm on these boards,  the more I see how people are misinformed. Hamas denied that charter years ago, their leader came out and said that Hamas has grown from what they used to be and they don't want to kill Jews nor do they follow that charter any longer. Again, Hamas doesn't have a public charter at this time and hasn't had one for years. Their leader came out and said unless you hear it from their mouth it is not from them.  So please, stop quoting that charter that Hamas itself doesn't approve of. You can Google "current hamas charter" or anything related to see for yourself

The refrain that Israel has the right to self-defense is a red herring: the real question is, does Israel have the right to use force to maintain an illegal occupation? The answer is no.[/quote]

Meshaal is speaking from both sides of his mouth, while simultaneously building tunnels designed for terrorist attacks.

"The Hamas Covenant also known as Hamas Charter, refers to the Charter of the Hamas, issued on 18 August 1988, outlining the movement founding identity, stand, and aims.[1]

The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[2] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[3][4] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[5] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam.[1]

In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[6] Hamas have moved away from their charter since they decided to go for political office.[7] In 2009 interviews with the BBC, Tony Blair claimed that Hamas does not accept the existence of Israel and continues to pursue their objectives through terror and violence; Sir Jeremy Greenstock however argued that they have not adopted their charter since they won the Palestinian legislative election, 2006 as part of their political program.[8] Instead they have moved to a more secular stance.[7] In 2008, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, stated that Hamas would agree to accept a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, and to offer a long-term truce with Israel.[9] In contrast to this, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar stated that any talk of the 1967 lines is "just a phase" until Hamas has a chance to "regain the land...even if we [Hamas] have to do so inch by inch."[10] Other Hamas leaders, including Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it,"[11] and that "we shall not relinquish the Islamic waqf on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united [city], and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south."[12][13]"[/quote]

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