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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Since the universe has order and is governed by the ‘laws of science’, we should question how this order came about. The most effective way to answer this question is to reason to the best conclusion.[/quote]

Circular logic.

You should read about Intelligent Falling sometime.

[quote]All of these attributes of the first cause make up the basic concept of God. God is the uncreated first cause of the universe. [/quote]

But this gets us no closer to defining "God". By your definition, I could define "God" to be the pre-Big Bang state. Of course, the pre-Big Bang state doesn't make for a very compelling Intelligent Designer.

But worse, you're presupposing a "first" when all evidence points to the conclusion that time does not work that way.

[quote] Throughout the history of the world, the majority of people have believed in God. There seems to be something built in the human mind that makes us want to believe. [/quote]

It's not just "gods" but all sorts of ghosts, fairies, and supernatural phenomenon. By implication, you are saying that all of these exist as well...[/quote]

Well, I know you are not arguing that a ghost or a fairy created all of this? :)  You're right that we can go around and around. Here's the thing we cannot prove to an atheists the existence of Allah (God). In fact we cannot prove the existence of God to anyone. We can at most find evidence to support our claims, but in the end it comes to "belief".  An analogy occurs in mathematics, where people ask, can we prove all the correct statements? The answer is no and it is proven by Godel's incomplete theorem. That an axiomatic system capable of arithmetic is either complete or consistent.[b] In plain words there are always statements that are true but we cannot prove.[/b][i]

To believe in God is to take as an axiom the existence and uniqueness of Allah. It is the basis upon which we do rational reasoning, and we donnot do reasoning on that, if you already chose your axiom. But then of course different people choose different axioms. An atheist's axioms are by definition different. Therefore, the  Quran itself is a miracle, [i]but only if you believe so. [/i]Just like:

[quote]This sentence is correct.
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If you believe so, then it becomes correct. If you don't, then it becomes incorrect for you, and it is still consistent. That being said, of course, Muslims believe that God alone decides the truth and it is (at least its complete version is) above human understanding.Therefore we are the people who accept these axioms, and atheists are the people who reject these axioms. We cannot prove to them, but merely show evidence to them of what we believe, just like they cannot prove us but show evidence to us of what they believe. Makes senses?

Look at a building and a person thinks of the architect, at a sculpture and a person instantly comprehends an artist.  But examine the elegant intricacies of creation, from the complexity and balance of nuclear particle physics to the uncharted vastness of space, and a person conceives of…nothing?  Surrounded by a world of synchronous complexities, we as mankind cannot even assemble the wing of a gnat.  And yet the entire World and all the Universe exists in a state of perfect orchestration as a product of random accidents which molded cosmic chaos into balanced perfection?  Some vote chance, others, creation :)[/quote]

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