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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My prediction: The list of the best schools in the city, at every level, will be increasingly dominated by charters. [/quote]

Only for middle school.

DCPS is by far the leader for elementary. High School is split.[/quote]

No for elementary EOTP.  It’s the immersion charters.  Families that don’t get in then settle for DCPS.

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Nope. Definitely not true on Capitol Hill.[/quote]

[b]OK, CH may be the exception but it is a very, very small part of EOTP.  [/b]

Some CH families do choose immersion over DCPS but not majority.[/quote]

No, it's actually you who are focusing on one specific slice of EOTP. Other parts -- CH included -- have different stories, but few of them are immersion charter-focused. Shepherd, Ross, Reed, Bancroft, Maury, Brent, Ludlow-Taylor, Chisholm, Payne, Watkins and Van Ness are all schools where DCPSes are the preferred destinations (either the IB itself or a nearby one). EOTR few kids are in immersion and the ones that are are mostly in/hoping for Chisholm.

Folks in Brookland, Eckington, Brentwood, Edgewood are heading to immersion (and other, e.g., Lee) charters because they're the closest good options. The charters that folks EOTR attend are not immersion, but they choose them for the same reason. For anyone close enough to Capitol Hill or WOTP, those DCPSes are typically the closest good options and so the first choice. As CH has gentrified, there are now many more CH ESes on the list and so more good spots for OOBers; same thing with the DCPS ESes along the North Cap corridor.

As a general matter, I think most people think -- and the test scores certainly bear out -- that DPCSes are the best-performing ESes. [/quote]

[b]Yeah agree. I know US News is somehow debatable, but all 10 of the top elementary schools are DCPS, with 6 WOTP and 4 EOTP (Ross, Shepherd, Maury, Brent).

And if anyone looked at that "who is beating 3rd grade expectations" chart, charter schools like Yu Ying and LAMB that have very low poverty rates have startling low 3rd grade reading scores -- they are underperforming relative to demographics.[/b]

Middle school is a different story, because DCPS really doesn't seem to have that figured out, curricularly.

But they come back in high school, with many DCPS schools offering sufficient challenge (Walls, Banneker, JR, MacArthur and McKinley Tech)[/quote]

Ok, well kids at those immersion schools are learning everything via a second language. When the teacher is teaching them about ecosystems or conjunctions or Native American history or whatever, the teacher is not doing it in English. [/quote]

Former LAMB employee.  The kids don't speak Spanish.  Almost none of them.  Teachers may speak in Spanish but everyone responds in English.  Try talking to one of these students in Spanish for longer than 2 seconds and they'll look at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears.  [/quote]

Pro-tip: If you're going to lie about a school, it should at least be a little bit believable. This is like claiming kids at BASIS don't know how to add or subtract. [/quote]

I actually don’t think this is made up. My neighbors go there and they are in upper grades and barely speak Spanish and their friends don’t either. I’m a native speaker. My kids go to another bilingual chapter and it’s the same. There are so many kids in 5th grade who barely speak Spanish. [/quote]

It's completely made up and totally ridiculous. The lie isn't even internally consistent. This person says that you speak to the kids in Spanish, "they'll look at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears?" But they also say the kids understand the teachers speaking to them in Spanish "but everyone responds in English"? [b]Wait, I though the couldn't understand more than two seconds of Spanish?[/b] Good grief. Who even goes online to trash elementary schools? Pathetic. My kids went to LAMB and I wasn't aware of any child there who wasn't fluent. Kids pick up languages quickly, especially when their first few years there are 100 percent in Spanish. LAMB has problems, but teaching kids Spanish is definitely not one of them. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone is trashing the school, but it would be nice to have concrete numbers to support assertions. Language proficiency encompasses reading, writing, listening and speaking. You can have a high level of proficiency in one area and not in others. To be fluent you need to demonstrate mastery in all areas. You say kids at LAMB are fluent, but how are you judging that? What metrics is LAMB using? I don’t write off PP because my kids go to another bilingual charter and we don’t get info on this. I am a native speaker and probably have a higher standard so it irritates me that this isn’t more transparent at a bilingual school. [/quote]

NP.  The stamp test does test for all these categories - reading, writing, listening, and speaking.  Kids take it in 5th before coming to DCI.  It helps them place kids in the appropriate language level.

Can’t speak to other schools but my kid was at MV and tested intermediate in all categories in 5th.  We don’t speak any spanish.  The kids are definitely not speaking english in spanish class at MV.[/quote]

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