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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Focus on training US citizens and giving rural and city kids a chance. The US imports way too much foreign talent.[/quote]

I agree in theory, but the US K-12 STEM curriculum is sh*t in most places. It is really hard/too late to correct for a poor foundation once the students are at the college and post-grad level, when you are talking about cutting edge research. That’s how you end up with school like Harvard having to add remedial math courses like pre-calculus to get some of their admits up to speed. [/quote]

It’s not either/or.  [b]We need to get our students better trained[/b] and we need to continue to attract the best from other countries. It’s what makes us powerful. [/quote]

That will never happen in a million years.  You need solid family support for this kind of education which is lacking in US. Most students are dealing with non-academic stuff.  The only option to get high achieveing American students are to have more naturalized Americans from Asian countries. Their kids (Asian-Americans) are killing it here. [/quote]

Universities contribute to economic growth and national competitiveness by equipping students with higher-order thinking and academic skills. Despite large investments in university science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education, little is known about how the skills of STEM undergraduates compare across countries and by institutional selectivity.

Here, we provide direct evidence on these issues by collecting and analysing longitudinal data on tens of thousands of computer science and electrical engineering students in China, India, Russia and the United States. We find stark differences in skill levels and gains among countries and by institutional selectivity.

Compared with the United States, students in China, India and Russia do not gain critical thinking skills over four years.

Furthermore, while students in India and Russia gain academic skills during the first two years, students in China do not.

These gaps in skill levels and gains provide insights into the global competitiveness of STEM university students across nations and institutional types.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349707487_Skill_levels_and_gains_in_university_STEM_education_in_China_India_Russia_and_the_United_States[/quote]

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