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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“You’re teaching students to be cynical about research.  That’s the really corrosive part. ‘I can hire someone to do it. We can get it done, we can get it published, what’s the big deal?’”

"The research services brag about how many of their alumni get into premier U.S. universities. Lumiere Education, for example, has served 1,500 students, half of them international, since its inception in the summer of 2020. In a survey of its alumni, it found that [b]9.8% who applied to an Ivy League university or to Stanford last year were accepted[/b]. That’s considerably higher than the overall acceptance rates at those schools."

The sad part is that this fraudulent scheme works...[/quote]

That could easily be a selection effect. If you are willing to do this, you are clearly already pretty driven (or your parents are). Sans Lumiere (ha) they might well be over the line already through all the activities they do. Justly or not.[/quote]

Exactly.  These types of programs stack the deck against students that don't have the resources to do them, but it doesn't mean they do not educate the participants about science research and involve them in research projects.

It is actually very akin to youth sports. It's called pay to play.   Does it mean that the most talented soccer players or the most talented future researchers are getting recognized for their talent in their youth?  It does not.   It provides for the talent that has the resources to develop their talent and the ones that don't have the resources to do that are left behind as usual.   But it is the American way.[/quote]

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