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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Christmas is not secular no matter how you spin it.  I’ve never celebrated Christmas nor my kids.   [/quote]

98% of Christmas is secular. Many just ignore the 2%. 
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It's fine if you think it's secular. The problem comes from the small handful of people who think that because they think it's secular, everyone should celebrate it as a secular holiday, too. I personally do not consider Christmas a secular holiday that I feel comfortable celebrating as a quasi-observant Jew. My feeling on Christmas is, everyone can do whatever they want with it, and I won't tell you how to celebrate it if you don't tell me how to celebrate it.[/quote]

You can celebrate whatever you want. Why do you think I GAF what you celebrate? 
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Great! Glad you don't. Most people don't. I also don't GAF what you celebrate. But there are a small band of annoying people who don't like it when anyone misses out on Christmas, which they're certain is just a fun secular American holiday.[/quote]

Well, it is 98% secular in the US…
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Would you care to cite your 98% secular claim? Because it seems like you're going by feels, which is nice for you, but the rest of us don't experience the holiday based on [i]your [/i]gut feeling of secularization.

A Gallup poll ([url]https://news.gallup.com/poll/272357/percentage-americans-celebrate-christmas.aspx[/url]) from 2024 shows that the number of people who celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday [i]has [/i]declined significantly since 2005, but still 58% of people who celebrate Christmas do so strongly or somewhat religiously.

And, regardless of the "percentage" of religiosity in Christmas today, the point stands that for those who are not Christian (or Christian-descended with that cultural-family connection), the holiday is inextricably tied to Christianity, and it doesn't make those people any less American for not celebrating it.[/quote]

Nice turd polishing there, combining “somewhat” and “strongly” — when your own link shows the same percentage of “strongly” and “not too”.  Both less than 1/3.

You could say the same in reverse: “58% of people are not too religious or only somewhat religious about Christmas!” So your own link kinda self-owned you.

Yes, PP was being anecdotal, observational, and also hyperbolic.  And didn’t say “98% of people” but rather “98% of Christmas” as in advertising, decorations, etc.  Overall your post is a near-total fail.[/quote]
It's a common survey summary technique to combine those two categories into one group showing the religiosity of Christmas celebrations. Even if you only look at the "strongly" category, it's not even close to 2%. So PP's claim that 98% of Christmas is secular is not backed up by any evidence.[/quote]

Again, you are lying. The PP never said 98% of people and you insinuated the opposite of the truth about the statistics themselves. Shameful.[/quote]

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