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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules.  Mixed feelings about it.[/quote]

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"[/quote]

DP.  Pretty sure they did.  They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.[/quote]

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on. [/quote]

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.[/quote]

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away? [/quote]

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.[/quote]

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol.  Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country.  Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is [b]morally wrong[/b] and unAmerican.  Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not. 
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What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society. 
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.[/quote]

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical.  At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again.  Please, no one wants your hate in a church.[/quote]

In a democracy, deciding individually which laws are moral or ethical and thereafter ignoring those you don't like is merely anarchy.  Instead, you vote.  If the people who are elected fail to support your preferred laws, you're just out of luck.  Vote again next time, lobby for your preferred candidates and policy positions.  If you decide you're just not going to obey laws which don't suit you, you are by definition a criminal, not a freedom fighter, not a holier-than-thou saint of some kind, and not morally superior to the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives.  [/quote]

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