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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That is so exciting!!

They probably said ‘we need an American to get those American idiot politicians in line’…[/quote]

Joking aside, I think this is absolutely true. 6 months ago, he would not have gotten this vote. It is expected he will go head to head with current admin. He seems like a great leader!! I’m so excited. [/quote]
Do they really look at it like this? Were there similar messages sent in the past? I know there are Vatican politics among them, but how does the decision concern worldwide politics? And why do people think the choice means something about US power (that it means we are in a decline, for instance)?[/quote]

No, the political lens is wrong, IMHO. The cardinals aren’t making a political decision, or sending a message about particular countries, or particular politics  — the choice is steered by the divine, as it always has been. People who claim to be believers who second-guess the conclave on political or worldly grounds are so crass. [/quote]

Did you see the movie Conclave?[/quote]

Did you watch the movie Airplane to learn about the airline industry works?[/quote]

DP but that's not fair. Conclave was fiction, but most people familiar with the conclave process agree the movie got the process pretty correct, including the way politicking works behind the scenes and the fact that spiritual concerns still influence the process. The twist at the end was unrealistic, but the rest of the movie is considered to have a lot of accuracy.

So a bit different from thinking Airplane accurately reflects how airlines work.[/quote]

NP. Very few people are involved with the conclave process and really understand how it works. Hollywood is always doing things like Oliver Stone's JFK, and some viewers always take it as gospel, so to speak. [/quote]

Sorry, but no. Cardinals are sequestered during conclave but not sworn to secrecy afterwards. The details of the movie, including how voting works in the chapel and how Cardinals interact and spend their time between voting sessions, was well researched and based on commentary from Cardinals and people who have worked in the Vatican and support the Cardinals during the conclave process. They don't discuss their votes or the details of what goes into the decision, but the process is known and the movie took pains to get that right even if the plot itself was fictional. They also based many of the characters on real Cardinals of the past and present, or amalgams of real people.

And more broadly, Vatican politics are not a mystery. There are many reporters who work out of Vatican City and get to know the Church and its officials very well. The broad strokes of the politics in the movie, in terms of conflicts between traditionalists versus the more open-armed Franciscans who have more recently held sway. Also the deep social conservatism of the African Catholics and how that plays into decision-making. All of that is known and documented. This was not Oliver Stone inventing a conspiracy theory and passing it off as history. This was a clearly fictional story that the makers took great pains to ground in reality via meticulous research, down to what the Vatican dorm rooms look like or how meals are served or how votes are strung with a needle on a string before burning.[/quote]

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