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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person.  Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.[/quote]

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.[/quote]

Why are the parents not responsible here?[/quote]

[b]We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools[/b]. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.[/quote]

Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.

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There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.

People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
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Shame on you for using the word segregate.  Different kids have different needs.[/quote]

Then you're going to have to convince people that separate can be equal, despite history to the contrary.

Proposing to prevent kids with special needs from going to school isn't going to help your case for that.[/quote]

When these laws were created, people were thinking about dyslexia and kids in wheelchairs. They weren’t thinking about integrating kids who disrupt learning for all the other kids and give them PTSD from enduring classes with them every day. The laws need to be clarified. What people call a “disability” these days simply isn’t what people had in mind when they supported these laws. They would never have passed in this format if people knew that kids would be screaming in class and throwing chairs and there’d be literally nothing that anyone could do about it.[/quote]

Yes, they were. IDEA isn't that old.

But they expected that schools would procide appropriate supports a services, generally first in gen ed classrooms while escalating to self-contained environments when necessary. That's where this fell apart. Schools and communities don't want to appropriately fund special education. So schools make this the gen-ed teachers' problems, knowing that it is effectively impossible for parents to win due process complaints under IDEA seeking more services.[/quote]

So how much money is necessary to “appropriately fund special education” in your opinion? Let’s say an average normal student costs $8k to educate per year. How much more do you think taxpayers should be forced to pay for whatever you feel is owed to you as the parent of a kid with a special needs label?[/quote]

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