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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person.  Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.[/quote]

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.[/quote]

Why are the parents not responsible here?[/quote]

[b]We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools[/b]. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.[/quote]

Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.

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There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.

People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
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Shame on you for using the word segregate.  Different kids have different needs.[/quote]

Then you're going to have to convince people that separate can be equal, despite history to the contrary.

Proposing to prevent kids with special needs from going to school isn't going to help your case for that.[/quote]

When these laws were created, people were thinking about dyslexia and kids in wheelchairs. They weren’t thinking about integrating kids who disrupt learning for all the other kids and give them PTSD from enduring classes with them every day. The laws need to be clarified. What people call a “disability” these days simply isn’t what people had in mind when they supported these laws. They would never have passed in this format if people knew that kids would be screaming in class and throwing chairs and there’d be literally nothing that anyone could do about it.[/quote]

And most parents raising those kids WANT their kids out of gen ed and in more specialized placements. They are gaslighted and told it is "too expensive" or "we need more data to justify it."

I suspect there are very few on either side that like what the law has become. [/quote]

NP. I think you'd be wrong. The poorly behaved kids' parents do not want their kids out of these classes. They don't think their kid has a problem. They are upset that school is not handling their kids' violent outbursts.

I think in general society doesn't know what to do with these kids. They aren't special needs or disabled. A lot of them just have bad home environments, suffer physical abuse at home and have zero attention given to them. What they need likely is military school where they live at the school with caring people. My neighbor's daughter went to one such school, but I'm pretty sure my neighbor had to pay $$$. [/quote]

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