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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person.  Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.[/quote]

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.[/quote]

Why are the parents not responsible here?[/quote]

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.[/quote]

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual.  Maybe that should be the free option.[/quote]

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.[/quote]

D-O-G-E[/quote]

Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.

But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.

Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?[/quote]

We really only want this for the disruptive kids.  It has broad support.[/quote]

This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.[/quote]

What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?[/quote]

Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.

Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated. [/quote]

Not the same at all.  We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.[/quote]

You'd need to determine whether the violent or disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability. If it is, you can't expel them from school as you're suggesting.[/quote]

You just proved the point.

The needs of the majority matter less than the needs of the few.[/quote]

Yes, we have laws that protect the rights of minorities, even when inconvenient or [b]expensive[/b]. It isn't unique to education. This shouldn't be surprising to you. [/quote]

No disability laws say that people with disabilities need to be accommodated to the point that they have exactly the same outcomes as non disabled people AT ALL COSTS, which is what you’re suggesting. A company for example can absolutely refuse to accommodate an employee if it’s deemed too expensive to do so in a reasonable way.

If school districts can show that they’re actually accommodating special needs kids with TWICE the money that they’re spending on other kids, and that they all start in gen ed until it’s clear that they are infringing on the rights of other students to receive an appropriate public education, then I don’t see how anyone could claim that people with disabilities are being discriminated against. Well I guess someone could claim it, but I don’t see any jury or reasonable judge agreeing with them about it.[/quote]

You're right that outcomes don't have to be the same. Please show where I said that?

Everything else past that demonstrate a shocking lack of understanding of IDEA, ADA, and associated precedents. Nothing caps accomodation costs at twice the cost of students/employees/customers that do not have disabilities. And it's quite common that they do so, making it very hard to later claim that that they're unreasonable.

No judge or jury is going to let schools force students with special needs to virtual or home programs.

I understand you don't like to pay taxes, but this is reality. If you don't think violent and disruptive kids are being properly supporte and accomodated at schools, and think it is important to address that for the sake of the other kids in public schools, you're going to have to be willing to pay for better supports and accomodations.

But oddly, you seem more interested in making things worse for kids with special needs than you are making things better for students and teachers. And that's why your rants will never amount to anything.[/quote]

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