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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Notre Dame it's quite beautiful.   The restoration is impressive and even [b]Trump's presence there cannot ruin it.  It was their way before Trump came along and it will be there way after he is long gone.[/b][/quote]

See? What did I just say? Always try to find something negative to say.[/quote]

It's not negative. It's positive.  This day is about Notre Dame and the restoration.  This day is not about Trump.  Pope Francis had it right. Let the cathedral be the center of attention.[/quote]

So why say that his presence could not [b]ruin[/b] the day and mention his mortality. That's pretty negative to me. You could have just stopped at "Notre Dame it's quite beautiful.   The restoration is impressive"[/quote]

I didn't start this thread about Trump at Notre Dame. Blame that on the op.[/quote]

Why should I blame the OP? The thread is in the political forum so of course it's appropriate to discuss Trump at Notre-Dame ceremony. You were negative about Trump when you wrote that he couldn't ruin the day (why would you think he could ruin the day in the first place unless you have a pre-conceived negative opinion about him?). Then you proceeded to mention his mortality. Sure, everyone dies, but why mention it during a happy occasion? I'm sure you don't go around at a wedding and say the happy couple will outlive their parents, right? You do have more common sense than that, right?[/quote]

You act like there was some secret message here.  I don't think Trump's presence at this ceremony elevates him or this country or the cathedral.  I think it's blatant pandering because that's how you get what you want from this guy. You think it's impressive in some way.  We disagree and that's allowed. It's a forum.[/quote]

You're allowed to say whatever you want but just don't deny that the original comment was negative. We see respect, you see pandering. That's fine. But that's [b]negative.[/b][/quote]

And T is a fount of positivity?  He's pledged retribution and dictatorship, and has indicated he won't hire anyone who won't pledge blind loyalty to him at the expense of our nation's constitution.  How dare you chide us to be positive.  Your leader and (sadly) our future President isn't.  At all.[/quote]

Why do you have to answer everything  with what about Trump? We're talking about you people always trying to find something negative to say about Trump and then denying it. That was the point of that convo. I guess, deep down you want just to be like him since you keep on trying to be as "negative" as he is.

And, how dare you accuse me of pledging blind loyalty to Trump at the expense of our constitution? I have my reason to support him and you have your reasons to support someone else. That doesn't make me naive/stupid and you enlightened. Sick of hearing your holier than thou rhetoric that you hold the Universal truth while people who don't agree with you are stupid. [/quote]

People who voted for Trump are as corrupt and evil as Trump.  He wants to dismantle the US Constitution and do do you.  So spare us your faux outrage and Holier than thou rhetoric!  [/quote]

Democrats (Obama) protect the constitution by putting a senile man in office and pulling his puppet strings.[/quote]

Biden was not "senile" when he was elected. By the American people, not Obama, who had been out of office for four years at that point. He was not even the favorite to get the nomination by the party, but he did too well in Southern states for anyone else to overcome him. If you talk to actual Democratic voters you would learn that the reason most Dems voted for Biden in the primaries is that they felt he was the safe choice (old, white, familiar) and would be best positioned to defeat Trump. People also generally liked Biden and thought he'd done a good job as VP and respected his career in the Senate.

Even as he was elected, Dems were nervous about his age but believed it was more important to get Trump out of office. A belief that was prescient given that Trump handled his loss by trying to demand the governor of Georgia "find" extra votes for him, having his lawyers try and seat "alternate electors" from multiple states to steal the election, ordering Mike Pence to refuse to certify the election, encouraging a crowd of angry protesters to go march on the Capital and "stop the steal", and sitting idly in the White House as those protesters broke windows, ran over cops, threatened law makers, and ran amok in the Capital building.

Democrats as a group did not decide to have Biden run for re-election -- he decided that on his own. And he was facilitated by people in his family and White House who absolutely should have recognized that he was not in any condition to run and had him step down. I have a lot of resentment towards Jill and his closes advisors who obviously interacted with him regularly and should have recognized what was happening but chose to cover it up instead. But you can't blame "Democrats." I truly did not know that Biden was so far gone until the debate, which was devastating. I basically reconciled myself to Trump winning the election that night. Even when Biden finally stepped down and Harris got the nomination, I thought our odds were long. She exceeded my expectations but couldn't pull it off and that's unsurprising given how little time she had, the fact that she didn't have the benefit of a primary campaign, and the overall sentiment in the country (and world) which was frustration, dissatisfaction, and unhappiness with incumbents.

When you sit there and blame me, a rank and file Democrat, for "forcing" Biden on anyone or misleading anyone as to his condition. Or try to claim Biden was installed in the presidency by Obama, you sound like a crackpot conspiracy theorist. This whole thing unfolded int he public eye for us all to see. You just glide past the actual elections and the fact that no one outside Biden's inner circle had seen what he was like until that debate, and act like all Democrats are in some kind of grand conspiracy to defraud you, a person who was always going to vote for Trump anyway.

Just stop.[/quote]

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