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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Either Covid learning loss was worse than we thought (and we know it was really bad) or test optional is a complete failure.

Harvard students don’t know algebra?

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

The Harvard Math Department will pilot a new introductory course aimed at rectifying a lack of foundational algebra skills among students, according to Harvard’s Director of Introductory Math Brendan A. Kelly.[/quote]

It's a function of grade inflation period. Someone posted an article from Bethesda magazine earlier that said MCPS had rampant grade inflation and kids had overweighted GPAs of 4.8 and 4.7 but their teachers/tutors said they could not do algebra 1 and lacked foundational algebra skills.

Weighted GPAs are out of control, and they are not college ready as a result. Harvard and others are seeing an over-inflated resume and admitting them based on misleading stats.[/quote]

agree. everyone is rushing to blame TO policies but I agree it's happening because of inflated GPAs. everyone is getting "bonus" points for stacking up honors and AP classes and teachers are giving As where they should be giving Bs (at best).[/quote]

Standardized tests counter grade inflation.[/quote]

Not really. The rich kids with inflated grades pay for test prep classes and game that system. [/quote]

Rich kids learn more because  their parents put money and/or time into education.
It's true.
You fix that by providing free education to poor kids, and lowering standards for poor kids who show growth.
Not by filling the college with randomly selected  students and just hoping they are smart. [/quote]

A rich kid who is in remedial math despite all their advantages is not comparable to a poor kid in remedial math because they haven't had adequate preparation.  I have far more sympathy for the latter student who has a lot more potential to advance academically with the resources Harvard has.  If you ever read Sonia Sotomayor's bio, she had to get remedial English support when she first entered Princeton.  But she worked like a demon to catch up and graduated with the top undergraduate award available for all around academic and extracurricular excellence.
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Yep, crazy but true Harvard is a school. They are supposed to change the students, with teaching.[/quote]

+1  And we're supposed to want first gen kids with high potential to succeed rather than accepting a class of kids of 1%ers so there's no class mobility. [/quote]

This is also woke nonsense. Colleges are supposed to educate the best and brightest students. Their purpose is not to promote “class mobility”. China is going to eat our lunch if we don’t stop pursuing destructive equity driven policies. [/quote]

China has it’s own problems to deal with. Nobody is sweating China.[/quote]

Amen. China is taking its last gasp before becoming a backwater.[/quote]

Chinas issue is their birth rates and declining population size. Their college admission system is not the problem and it identifies the most talented people much more effectively than the US system. They are not doling out research grants contingent upon the extolling the benefits of "diversity" in quantum mechanics unlike the US. https://science.osti.gov/grants/Applicant-and-Awardee-Resources/PIER-Plans[/quote]

Again, America has the most successful tech companies. I guess we’re woke because we don’t put our citizens in “re-education” centers (Uighurs).

TL;DR: China sucks.[/quote]
Everyone in America way overhypes meritocracy and kisses the feet of Asian education as if it isn’t a miserable existence and doesn’t drive out many students every year who try to come to our universities.

Then when you actually suggest merit, everyone here gets up in arms about how “actually” sports recruits are just as intelligent as the other students…yeah right.[/quote]

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