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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.[/quote]
Sure.
Now.
It sure didn’t then
Dickheads just used it as an excuse to beat up Asian people.
And you know it.[/quote]
dp.. I'm Asian American.  I suspected it could be a lab leak, but the vitriol by Trump and his team towards the Chlna virus (and I'm not even Chinese) was causing hate crimes against Asian Americans.  A lot of the people who support Trump are racist, and constantly pointing fingers at another race just fueled their racism.  There were covid patients who yelled at Asian American doctors for bringing in the virus.

That is why the rhetoric needed to be toned down.  It was not helping.

When we had the MERs virus, we did not have a POTUS who constantly pointed fingers.  There weren't people screaming at ME looking people about bringing in the virus (at least not to the degree we had during Trump's term).

Lab leaks happen.  [b]But, the question is, how is China (or any entity) going to ensure this doesn't ever happen again.  And how will China be held accountable?[/b]  Russia isn't going to support holding China accountable, and too many economies rely on Chinese exports.[/quote]

By using common damn sense!!  If you read the article, China was conducting gain of function research on the covid virus in a friggin BSL2 lab!!!!  That's completely unacceptable risk for the entire world!  It's mind boggling you people think China should be off the hook Scot free for conducting this kind of high risk research while having gross incompetence for safety and disregarding virtually all international standards for safety.  If you read the actual article, the American scientist with ties to the research at the Wuhan lab knew it was being conducted under BSL2 and even explicitly stated that if American scientists found out that kind of research was being conducted in China under such lax safety oversight they would have lost their sh*t.

Why is it so hard to ask countries like China to obey international standards for every for this kind of research so they they don't kill millions of people yet again? [/quote]
1. no one said China should go scott free
2. How are you going to enforce China obey international laws?   We don't even obey all international laws.
3. Why did Trump defund the pandemic response team, and that included the scientists whose boots were on the ground in China at the time.

You want small government? That's what you got. [/quote]

+1[/quote]

I want a federal government that is unafraid to shutdown travel from China when the outbreak emerges without apology, since border control is literally there job, and I want a federal government that follows the lead where science takes us, not one that shuts down theories for political reasons.  There’s a role for state and local government, but a pandemic requires a robust, evidence based and trustworthy federal government which we did not get.[/quote]

Who was in charge of the federal government at that time🤔 [/quote]

Who is denying that both Trump and Biden made mistakes?  But this thread is supposed to be about the suppression of the lab leak theory, not the presidents.[/quote]

The lab leak theory was a  worthless talking point meant to distract from anything productive. It didn’t save you from exposure. It didn’t trace cases. It didn’t help you get treated effectively. It didn’t supply PPE. It didn’t help the economy.
IT DID GET A BUNCH OF ASIAN PEOPLE PUNCHED. [/quote]

Science isn’t talking points.  Sorry it hurts your feelings to learn where the virus originated, but facts matter.[/quote]

You didn’t have any facts then.
You had theories and talking points. 
And it got Asian people hurt. 
That’s who got hurt. [/quote]

You sound unhinged.  The facts are that people were asking about a lab leak theory at the time and it was dismissed even by public health professionals as a conspiracy theory and that it disrupted public trust when it was most needed.  The fact is that the most likely source of origin of covid is a lab leak.  THOSE are the facts, not your ridiculous accusations that people who followed the evidence wanted to punch Asian people.  That’s just slander and frankly silly.  Why are you so afraid of admitting this was a mistake?  Everyone knows the suppression of the lab leak theory was an error.  Open your eyes.[/quote]
Quit being a lazy jerk and take 5 min to google the instances of violence perpetrated against innocent people because of irresponsible, and unproductive rhetoric by the people “ just asking questions” re: a lab leak. The facts are you had no facts. Because no one at the time had facts. And at the time it didn’t matter. [/quote]

I don’t need to google to know that it’s unhinged to suggest that following the evidence to a lab leak as the origin of covid is responsible for punching Asians.  Give it a rest.  You don’t get to declare science off limits because some people were violent.  That’s not healthy for society because it makes science off limits. [/quote]

You are refusing to acknowledge that the GOP and their propaganda machine take anything they think will benefit them politically and twist it to suit their narrative, whomever it hurts be damned.

I am so sick of the discussions on here that pile all the Covid difficulties on Democrats, completely ignoring that the climate we exist in, the climate of winner-takes-all politics that eliminates all nuanced, realistic discussion and compromise to try and solve problems, is the product of decades of GOP propaganda beginning with Gringrich and his cronies.

You want real progress?  You want real discussions of facts and solutions?  You want real analysis of mistakes that were made, so that we can improve things.  You need to vote out the GOP politicians who never, ever play fair and never, ever come to the table for good faith discussions.

Otherwise, take your anger and indignation and shove it.  [/quote]

Democrats didn't just push back against the lab release theory because of Trump. They also view any criticism of China as racism so dismiss it all out of hand. Saying a lab failure doesn't matter would be like saying using gas and chemical weapons during WW1 didn't matter because the bodies were already in the ground.[/quote]

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