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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can see people are upset because they have an investment, whether emotional, financial, or ideological, with the current modus operandi at most elite colleges so they are bitterly resistant to the changing realities surrounding elite higher education these days despite that Silver cites data showing significant shift in public perspectives on higher education and elite higher education.

This is what people thought of a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 1994: highly accomplished and brainy nerd.

This is what many people now think when they encounter a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 2024: Either a legacy admit from an extremely connected and / or wealthy family (nepotism) or a mollycoddled diversity admit benefiting from a system that rewards identity over merit. And both will bring the same increasingly annoying social justice warrior outlook largely divorced from reality.

Silver is not a right wing MAGAtard, he is a Democrat and sold his polling business to the NYT. But like a lot of very intelligent nerds, Silver doesn't shy away from frankness.

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You are an idiot. [b]The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades.[/b] The average student now is miles ahead of the 1994 student in terms of academic indicators. Same with the wealthy kids; at the top schools everyone has the scores that's why they add other factors to select.[/quote]
what no?

[img]https://america.cgtn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/HARVARD_CRIMSON.SAT_RACE1.chart_.jpg[/img][/quote]

Let me school you a bit. Go to your chart. Check the X axis. The scale of the chart is designed to make it seem as if there are big differences amongst the scores, but the average score for all races is some form of 700. At Harvard, they taught us (even the minorities) how to discern lies backed by stats and charts. [/quote]

NP--Exactly. The difference between the average score for those of Asian descent (around 770) and those of African descent (around 720) is the difference between the 99th percentile and the 98th percentile. Even Mensa takes the top 2%.[/quote]

Citation needed for 98th percentile.  The College Board’s most recent reporting has 1400 (two 700s) as being the top 7 percent of test takers, not the top 2.  Top 7% is nowhere close to Harvard material IMO.[/quote]

Oops, you're right that I had the wrong percentiles, because I was spacing out and compared 1420 and 1470 instead of 720 and 770.

Here's a link to the most recent percentiles:

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

You are correct about 1400 being the 93rd percentile only if you are comparing solely to those who take the SAT. I use the part of the chart that looks at the entire population, which has 1400 as being the 97th percentile. When you're talking about someone's ability level, you're generally talking about their ability compared to the general population, not just to those who apply to college. If you look at scores of 720 on both sections of the SAT (1440 total), you're talking about someone in the 98th percentile of the general population in academic ability. This is strong enough for Mensa, and also for Harvard.[/quote]

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