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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I've been thinking about this case a lot. By all accounts, the woman was a terrible parent and made really awful choices. I don't disagree that she abdicated her responsibilities and bears some blame for what happened.

BUT. I invite you to read the special needs forum. There are many parents that do mean well and still seem to be throwing their hands up. And I get that. Mental illness is not something you plan for as a parent. You can have the best intentions and get lost along the way - I don't know, end up escaping the daily pain and grind by seeking out affairs and risky behavior?

I am so lucky I've not had to go through this. But I think we have entered a really really slippery slope with this verdict. Think of the civil litigation this will enable if a kid punches another on the playground, or if a minor drinks alcohol at home and kills someone with their parents' car. Where does the liability end?[/quote]

I'm also struggling here with the verdict. Some parents are worn down to the bone, mentally and physically, as there are no sustaining supports for their kids, including the adult ones. There are shortages of beds and programs and, ultimately, treatment is not compulsory regardless of what folks on here claim.

[b]The Cumberleys seemed checked out, not necessarily worn out, though perhaps they were. They also seemed emotionally stunted/immature as if they didn't quite grasp parental duties.[/b]

Maybe they did have flexible work sites and could've worked remotely that day or their son could've joined them at their offices. I am a little skeptical, however, of their bosses' claims that this would not be an issue. Perhaps not in retrospect, but a lot of bosses want butts in chairs and don't create an environment where this could be broached. [/quote]

She was so worn out and checked out that she had plenty of time to create a log in on an adultery dating site, to support a long-time affair with one guy, which scheduling hookups on the app with other men (so she was cheating on her husband and her AP).  She tried to argue that she only arranged her hookups while the shooter was in school.  She also was so worn out that she made time to go out and tend to horses (horses are not a low-maintenance pass time) and go riding.  She had plenty of time to go out drinking.  Since they moved to Michigan when the shooter was in elementary school, they Crumbleys would routinely leave him home alone without a phone so they could go out to eat and drink.  For hours on end.  Enough that the neighbor called CPS on them more than once.  The neighbor started calling CPS when he was 8 years old and he was 15 at the time of the shooting.  So she had been neglecting him for 7+ YEARS.

She was not so worn out that she could develop a significantly long rap sheet of crimes and misdemeanors.

As for her job, the boss said the workplace was flexible.  He said that she could have taken him out of school and brought him back to the office and that others had brougtht their kids to work.  She could have taken the day off.  And she admitted on the stand under oath that she would have been able to call in for the afternoon and go home with her son, but she didn't want to.

How about she put some of the time and energy she spent into her swinging lifestyle into her husband, son and home?

Also, although the jury was not supposed to use this as part of their rationale for conviction, the fact is that the parents were amazingly selfish.  When the warrants for their arrests went out, they abandoned their son and fled.  They took out $6000 cash, bought new clothing, burner phones, found a hideout, hid their car and went into hiding.  They claim they were preparing to turn themselves in the next morning, but that doesn't explain buying enough clothes and food for a couple of weeks.  That doesn't explain the need for two sets of burner phones.

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PP, did you miss the bolded above? [/quote]

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