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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This Idaho Stop business is really pernicious. You can’t tell one group of people they don’t have to follow the rules without everyone else asking why they can’t do the same. It really teaches the public that traffic laws don’t matter.[/quote]

The thing is for cyclists, sitting idle in a street or sidewalk is much more dangerous. That's why states are following the Idaho stop now, and it reduces traffic fatalities. I get that your feelings might be hurt that cyclists get something for them for once, but if it saves lives, I really don't care.
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No matter how many times you say “the thing is” doesn’t make it true. [/quote]

It literally is true. Facts don't care about your feelings, they're facts.

"Idaho first passed this law in the 1980s, hence why it’s called the Idaho stop. Idaho saw a 13% decrease in bike crashes after the law was passed. Delaware passed a similar law five years ago and saw a 23% decrease in bike crashes. Nine states total allow the practice."

https://dcist.com/story/22/09/21/dc-moves-to-ban-right-turn-on-red-allow-idaho-stop-cyclists/[/quote]

More than a quarter of all the cyclists who die in traffic die in intersections so, yes, of course we should tell cyclists to ignore those signs designed to make them be more careful when crossing intersections. Makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

Exactly! The deaths are in intersections, meaning the most dangerous place for a cyclist to be is in an intersection just sitting there. Which is why the Idaho Stop is so successful--it allows the cyclist to stop/yield and proceed if there's nothing in impeding their path (they don't ignore the signs, they just treat a stop sign as a yield sign and red light as a stop sign). That way, they spend less time in the middle of a busy intersection, where they are most likely to be rear-ended by a car. [/quote]

If most deaths are IN intersections then the most dangerous place to be is IN and intersection, not stopped BEFORE the intersection. [/quote]

If you are stopped at an intersection and a car driven by a person who is texting runs you over, guess where that accident is classified?  At the freaking intersection.[/quote]

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