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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would appreciate mimosas at a kid's party! Some people are judgmental about alcohol being anywhere in the vicinity of kids though. [/quote]

I think it's more judgement about serving alcohol to people who you know are driving away from your home with children in their car.[/quote]

Where did OP say anything about driving? Why would you assume they would be driving?[/quote]

Dp. Because everyone drinks and drives. I was at a kid’s birthday party yesterday and every single adult (except me) had a drink in their hands. I would bet a lot of money I wasn’t the only one driving. [/quote]

You are extremist if you refuse to drive after just one drink [/quote]

Not pp but that's a good line in the sand when we're modeling things for kids. In kindergarten don't care but the older kids definitely notice and then roll their eyes when you tell them not to get in a car with anyone who is drinking.[/quote]

Well, kids should never be drinking so of course teens shouldn't be getting in cars with teens who have been drinking. Adults are different when they are over 21.[/quote]

Why on earth would you want to consume alcohol and then drive with a child in the car?  I understand having one drink and driving when it’s just you, but you have a problem if you drink and drive with children in the car. I’m not talking sips of your husbands beer or a half glass of wine. This happens regularly that people drink and drive with their kids and I find it baffling. [/quote]

Having a splash of champagne with juice while consuming food at a party poses no problem whatsoever. That's what this is about. It's not a rager at 11 in the morning. Why are you talking about getting wasted when no one else is?[/quote]

Did you read the quotes?  Or just wanted to defend drinking and driving with kids in the car?[/quote]

Yeah, I read. Did you? Nobody is talking about getting wasted. It's zero tolerance for teens. It's not zero tolerance for adults. One drink is fine, even according to the law. Why PP is talking about people getting shit faced is bizarre. Having a mimosa at a party isn't going to put anyone in DUI territory.[/quote]

Uh, I didn’t have to read, I was the one at the party watching every adult drink full beers. Not splashes of champagne. Try *not* drinking and driving with/in front of your kids. It’s really not that hard. [/quote]

What does your random party have to do with other people having a mimosa at a 2 hour party? It's not all black and white. Maybe save your lecture for your degenerate crowd?[/quote]

Different poster, but I think you're missing the point. Teenagers do think in black and white terms very frequently. So if they know the rule is "absolutely do not get behind the wheel if you've had any alcohol or ride in a car with someone who has," yet they've seen you do it for years at random barbeques and parties, they won't take that rule seriously. So sure, have a mimosa at the kindergarten party because the kids won't know the difference, but by late elementary school they know what you're doing and internalizing it.[/quote]

This doesn't sit right with me. Teenagers also need to learn that there are different "rules" that come at different ages and maturity. Curfews, different levels of privacy and autonomy. All that.

Very related, there is value in modeling responsible drinking habits within families and communities where alcohol is accepted. A 40-year-old (or whatever) having a drink or two at a gathering over a set of hours and driving home is[b] worlds [/b]away from a teenager pounding some drinks in a basement and getting in a car. As a baseline, the first situation would be quite legal while the latter would be emphatically illegal on multiple fronts.  And obviously, you do NOT want a kid's first experiences observing alcohol use to be with their peers.

Perhaps you want to show that it is never--no matter the timeframe in which alcohol is consumed and someone gets in the car--acceptable to drive after drinking. Well, OK. That is an absolutest rule that is stricter than both the law and science would set. Your kid is going to see the hypocrisy (or perhaps a better phrase would be, lack of grounded rationale) in that situation as well.

I never touched a drink until I was in college and would generally avoided parties where drugs or alcohol were gonna be around based on personal preference, despite having parents who regularly had wine or cocktails in front of me. That was obviously due to both how I was raised and my personality--if your kid is rebellious, they're rebellious. And teenagers will obviously test boundaries. But they are intelligent enough, despite your view that they think in black and white terms, to know that different rules apply in different situations. [/quote]

I can easily hear a teenager reason "my dad always drove us home after a drink or two, I'm sure I'm fine."[/quote]

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