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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do the wealthiest places in America - the Upper East Side, Scarsdale, Greenwich, Chevy Chase, Winnetka, Beverly Hills etc. - vote D?  Don't they do better under Republican policies?[/quote]

Why do people with few resources vote conservatively? As you suggest, liberal policies generally favor the disadvantaged.[/quote]

Because they value their freedom? Because they know they can do it themselves? Because they don’t want to live on the government teat?[/quote]

Being forced to give birth is the opposite of freedom.[/quote]

No one is being forced. Abortion simply went back to the states. Oh, the drama![/quote]

Where certain states are now forcing girls and women, some of whom were raped, to forced births. Why do you ignore this fact?[/quote]

Please give me a list, with names, of girls and women who cannot get abortions anywhere in the country.[/quote]

if you want gynecological lists of women and girls, ask Ron Desantis.[/quote]

I’m asking people here. Surely there should be thousands by now![/quote]

What makes you think that every woman who had a problem getting an abortion published her story?

Are you saying it's reasonable for women to have to travel fo other states to receive this care? How are they supposed to afford that?  Time off, hotels, waiting periods, plus the cost of the procedure?

Here
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/26/1111280165/because-of-texas-abortion-law-her-wanted-pregnancy-became-a-medical-nightmare

And this https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/texas-woman-describes-ordeal-with-state-abortion-law-after-miscarriage

and here https://time.com/6208860/ohio-woman-forced-travel-abortion/

And here's a whole collection!  https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/abortion/federal-and-state-bans-and-restrictions-abortion/20-week-bans/personal-stories-reveal-how-20-week-abortion-bans-would-hurt-wom

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1) Elizabeth was released from the hospital. Off they go to another nearby state that allowed abortion. She was not in dire straits. She just wanted one.

2) Amanda could have driven with her husband the 8 hours to another state. They chose not to.

3) Marlena was giving the pill. She chose not to go that route.

4) Tara could have gone to another state. She tried Michigan. Go to CO or CA. She had time.

5) Don’t hand me planned parenthood stories and expect they won’t be biased. [/quote]

Republicans:  so you have to travel out of state for a procedure, and spend one or two nights, take off extra days of work, find someone to babysit overnight. No biggie.

Showing themselves to be the elitists that they are. [/quote]

All were given in-state choices. They just didn’t like them[/quote]

Watching you work so hard to try to be OK with abortion rights being taken away is fascinating.  And sad.

It is what it is.  Just own it.  You voted for the forced birthers.  You must be OK with that.  Too late now.[/quote]

I think we should think long and hard at the ease in which we terminate a life. Notice how none of these stories start with “Sarah is 22, has multiple partners by choice, and sometimes skips her birth control. She’s found out she’s pregnant and is not ready to have a child….”  Reason? Because that would bring up very uncomfortable questions. And that is the majority reason why someone seeks out abortion.[/quote]

Ok. Let’s look “long and hard” at 22 year old Sara with multiple partners and an inconsistent use of birth control. Is it in the best interests of Sara to have a child? If she’s not great at taking birth control why do you think she’s going to be great at taking prenatals?

Basically does your argument boil down to Sara should be legally required to give birth…because she didn’t take a pill every day? Does that make any kind of sense to you? That a child should be raised by a 22 year old (guessing single mother because of your multiple partners comment) in adverse economic conditions because that will show her?

Whose interests do you serve here? It’s not Sara’s. It’s not the child’s. It’s not the states because they’ll be paying for the healthcare and the education and the early intervention. It’s just the interest of…controlling women?[/quote]

Sara created another life. There are responsibilities that go with behavior. I knew at least a few Saras when I was in college who had multiple abortions. I’d like to see the Saras of this world not be considered victims.[/quote]

DP. There’s nothing objectionable about Sara having an abortion if she doesn’t want to be a mother, whether she “created a life” or not. It’s her body that will have to incubate it, and it’s her choice to do it or not to do it. At the time she’d have the abortion, it’s a fetus, not a person.[/quote]

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