Reply to Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:

Forum Index » Religion

Reply to "Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:"

Subject:

Emoticons





More smilies

Text Color: Font: Close Marks

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Please. Nobody here ever said
- the Greeks don’t get credit, or 
- the idea is “uniquely” Judeo-Christian. [/quote]

Great, then we agree it's not uniquely judeo christian.  So why say the country was founded on judeo christian values and not the Greeks or any otehrs that may have espoused it?

[quote]You made that up. What several of us ARE saying is that (1) nobody has a patent on ideas, and also that (2) the same ideas can arise at different times and in different contexts. [/quote]

No, you are saying it is a judeo christian value and the country was founded on it.  You said nothing about "different times and contexts".  Because that renders the "founded on judeo christian values" claim moot.  The bible talks a lot about food, too.  Is food a judeo christian concept?  ("That's ridiculous" you are saying to yourself, and I agree 100%);

[quote]Separation of church and state IS a Christian idea, even if it’s not exclusively Christian. Perhaps if you drew a Venn diagram that would help. [/quote]

The idea of "Separation of church and state IS a Christian idea" when the article linked in the very post of this thread shows a majority supporting an elimination of that very distinction is just not a supportable point.

[quote]Also, where is your answer to the point about Thomas Jefferson’s modified New Testament? By your own logic, who “won” that one?[/quote]

You mean the one where the deist Thomas Jefferson made his own bible which removes all miracles and claims of Jesus' divinity?  I didn't repsond to that because it supports my point perfectly.  He was not a Christian.  He did not believe in the bible Christians believe in.  End period.[/quote]

It’s hard to know where to start with all these word games. And it’s understandable why people look at this and think, you’re not arguing honestly and who has time for this. Just a few points, then.

It’s hard to believe you’re still trying to argue, essentially, that separation of church and state is NOT a concept in Christianity. All three synoptic gospels include it. It’s a Christian idea, whoever else also espouses it. If I think Trump is a dangerous toddler, but somebody else had that thought in 1994, that doesn’t invalidate my ability to own that thought. This is so simple I wonder if you’re trolling.

Jefferson believed in the rest of the NT after removing the miracles. So, the Sermon in the Mount et cetera. In fact, the idea that something remains is implicit in the whole process of excerpting. Christians have had doctrinal differences since a few decades after Jesus died. That doesn’t mean they’re not Christians. Jefferson was a deist, but he clearly kept things from Christianity.  [/quote]

So he liked the universal values of being kind to others. The only thing unique in the NT is the mythology. 
[/quote]

Goalposts moved [/quote]

I’m a different poster so not sure what goalposts you were aiming for but the claim was “he clearly kept things from Christianity”. He didn’t keep anything that was uniquely Christian because the only unique thing in Christianity is the supernatural aspect. And even that is not all that unique. 
[/quote]

Jefferson kept the rest of the Bible after removing the miracles and maybe a few other things, I forget the details. If he thought none of it was relevant to him, he wouldn’t have kept any of it. And you’d know about it and you’d be using that fact here, if you could.

You went off track with the usual tired argument about religious values (including but not limited to Christianity) being no different from secular values. That’s the usual oversimplification because most religions have so many other components and different ways of approaching godliness. “Love your enemy” goes beyond the golden rule, for example. But there’s no way I’m interested in another derailment where I need to argue against trite and oversimplified points, so I’ll leave it there. [/quote]

He kept it because he liked it.

[b]The parts he took out were the parts that made Christianity unique. [/b]

He probably would have liked another book discussing the same common concepts. 
[/quote]

Absolutely wrong. Wish I wasn’t on a zoom call and could respond in detail. [/quote]

Options

	Disable HTML in this message
	Disable BB Code in this message
	Disable smilies in this message

Review message

Search Recent Topics Hottest Topics