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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Along those lines, I am very tired of hearing, "Islamic rules for women are so much more progressive than in pre-Islamic, tribal Arabia of 600 CE."

I like OP, and I think she's trying hard to put forward a progressive, open face of Islam. I like the idea of getting away from the often paternalistic interpretations in the various legal schools. I do happen to know a lot about the issue, and I think she may be glossing over some very difficult issues that appear as the word of God in the Quran, as opposed to problems of interpretation among the various schools of jurisprudence. I suppose this would offend some, but I'm interested in signs of a movement towards an Islamic "Reformation" along the lines of what happened in Europe several centuries ago.[/quote]

PP, its hard to get into a deep discussion on DCUM. But please ask me anything and give me a chance to answer your questions, even some of the difficult issues you speak of.[/quote]

Hi OP.  I guess the problem is, I don't really want to go there, because when you put the verses out there in black and white on the screen, the perceptions for somebody who isn't really familiar with the religion could be difficult.  I suppose we could start with the Quranic verses on apostates (possibly less controversial), which would be a simple google, but again I don't want to put them out there raw.

And feel free not to respond and we'll assume you're at work instead! And I'll probably stop with the apostates anyway, and not get into women or other religions.[/quote]

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