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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Jesus was pretty much against both the Sadducees and the Pharisees. Trying to hold Christians to ancient temple teachings is a pointless exercise.

Matthew 16 verse 5. When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. 6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”(F)

7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”

8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith,(G) why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?(H) 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?(I) 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.(J)[/quote]

Jesus, as he explains, when saying beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees, wasn’t talking about the kosher laws at all. He, as he explains himself, meant beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Matthew 16:12. 
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Time to stop playing around.

You still haven’t addressed the verses in Matthew 15. Here is verse 11, right before verse 16 which is cited above: “Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth is what makes him unclean.”

Also, Paul’s second letter to the Colossians, 2:16-17: “Don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink….These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is the Messiah.”

You need to address these directly if you’re going to keep insisting that Jesus didn’t get rid of dietary laws. [/quote]

Jesus was not referring to the kosher laws. Saying that we should go out and eat pork chops would have been monumental. Jesus was referring to the criticism of the Jewish elders that his followers had mot properly washed their hands before eating. According to Chapter 15 of Leviticus, if a man has a nocturnal emission of semen he is unclean until he washes himself. According to Leviticus 15:11, if a man has a nocturnal emission, anything he touches is unclean until he washes his hands. Judaism developed prophylactic rules to avoid breaking the laws of Leviticus. Many of them are silly. One of the rules is that a man cannot eat before washing his hands on the chance that he might have had a nocturnal emission which would make the food unclean. Jesus was saying this rule was silly and not even in Leviticus.

Paul is a different situation. Peter and James said the Kosher laws apply to all Christians. Paul said the Kosher laws only apply to Jewish Christians. But Paul had no divine directive on this point. [/quote]

How is this not referring to the Kosher laws? Matthew 15 verse 11: “Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth is what makes him unclean.”  “Into a man’s mouth” pretty clearly refers to food, not to particles of uncleanliness that might have remained on his hands.

If you’re right, Jesus would have said instead, “Your cleanliness does not make you unclean, rather what you do with your hands makes you unclean.” But he didn’t say that. You’re cherry picking a word about cleanliness at the end of the whole passage to twist the passage in a way that defies the words’ own logic, not to mention common sense.

Also, Jews lived alongside their Roman conquerors and would have been familiar with eating pork even if they kept kosher themselves. And Peter and James had no divine directive either, so why would you cite them to counter Paul?[/quote]

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