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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad. [/quote]

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad. [/quote]

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point? [/quote]

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there [/quote]

More deaths than from religion too, I suspect. Pp’s may be conflating colonialists with missionaries. Pp with the stay about millions of deaths from missionaries alone needs to give a cite for that. [/quote]

Missionaries and colonists are one and the same. There is no separation between them. The purpose of Spanish missionaries in Latin/S America was to both colonize and convert the millions of native tribes. The priests and missionaries sent by Spain had that very aim in mind - in addition to claiming the land, they converted the people. When latter failed, they slaughtered them. That same thing happened in N America, including the US and Canada. An estimated 70M indigenous people have died during this conquest.

All these pro-missionary folks trying to create a separation between colonizers and missionaries are fooling themselves. It has been the same deed for centuries. [/quote]

You haven’t done history, have you? Much of colonialism is secular: it’s about getting access to resources—copper and silver and gold in the last two centuries. More recently, secular colonialism has been about political and strategic needs, and about oil. What do you think explains Cuba and the US-led coups in South America? Why do you think the US overthrew Iran’s democratically elected president in the 1960s? Why do you think we keep fighting wars in Iraq?

Sure, colonizers provided an entree for missionaries in some places. But they had very different, secular/atheist motives.

Also, please explain what’s going on in the Ukraine and the role of atheist colonizers vs. (non-existent) missionaries, TIA. [/quote]

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