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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the point is, are they actually voluntarily deciding not to use SAT scores, and, for a public intsitution, who does that hurt?  Public colleges are not private employers who can hire and fire at whim.  As for private selective institutions - the truly selective ones like MIT affirm that SAT scores are still important.  [/quote]

No you still miss my point entirely.

The colleges can accept whoever they want for whatever reason they want as long as they don't break the law.  Employers - both private AND public - can hire whoever they want for whatever reason they want as long as they don't break the law.

What is important is up the THEM, not you.  Any criteria, test scores being one.[/quote]

And I disagree with you.  Public institutions serve the public, so this is all a valid question.  Plus UCs don't seem to be doing this voluntarily anyway.  [/quote]

You disagree with me?  How?  It's not up to me, or to you. How can you disagree with that?

You can have the opinion they should have different criteria, but you don't get to dictate it.

You agree with this for employment, but disagree on college admissions, and that is the hypocrisy. [/quote]

Yes, I disagree that a public institution is unaccountable to the public. Not sure why that's hard to understand.  [/quote]

Oh, your point is understood perfectly.  It's just also 100% untrue.

You don't get to tell the firemen who to hire and why
Nor your mailman
Nor the guy at the DMV
Nor the people who run NPR or your local arts council
etc etc etc

You don't get to tell any of those institutions what criteria they should use.  Nor the public colleges. Not how it works, nor should it be, as you don't know better than they do. They know better than you do.

I think you understand now.[/quote]

Someone does not  yet understand that public  institutions are indeed accountable to the public.  Let me guess, you are one of the people who can’t accept that school closures led to the democrat losing the governor’s race?

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NP here. They are accountable on some level but not in the way you think. You, as a taxpayer, do not have the level of control you think you have. The PP is in fact correct that these public institutions may hire/fire as they see fit so long as they are not in violation of the laws. You're "Accountability" is more of a transparency argument. But even that is limited. FOIA laws don't permit unfettered access (there are exemptions and exceptions). OIG is available (or some version of that depending on the jurisdiction) but, there too, that oversight is usually limited to specific allegations. You could sue, too, I supposed (good luck with that).

In short, you argue you have transparency and you do have SOME of that in these decisions. Accountability? Debateable.[/quote]

boy you have an extremely limited and poorly informed view of what political accountability means. nobody claimed that they have an individual right to dictate that a student get admitted. [/quote]

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