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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have many waves ions about the broader issue of what it means when people born and assigned the female gender at birth this I they can no longer identify as a woman because they don’t present as femme. Or vice versa. A dude can’t wear a dress. I thought the whole point of gender as a social construct was that we could be free to be you and me as we see fit. For example, where are all the butch lesbians? In my youth I hung with many. Now it seems the young ones who would’ve been “butch” in the 90s are just claiming FTM. 
I guess overall to me it seems that frequently it actually pigeonholes gender stereotypes more when people feel that because they don’t represent a mainstream expression of gender they must somehow be transgender. I’m not trying to be trans exclusionary. I don’t actually GAF what anyone wants to identify as, I’ll call you what you want, but I just can’t get past the irony of how much of this actually perpetuates harmful gender stereotypes while trying to be free of them. [/quote]

Exactly.

Remember when Jenner shared at some awards show (Espys, maybe) about how she got all glammed up, and now she knows how it feel to be a woman?

I mean... no. No, you do not know what it’s like to be a woman.

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Totally agree.  I definitely support people being who they want to be using, whatever pronouns (although you're going to have to be patient with me getting "he/they" correct if you are expecting me to use an object pronoun that does not agree with the subject pronoun, that just doesn't work grammatically!)

BUT, it does seem like around all this there is this, to me, unacceptable tightening of gender stereotyping.  Like if a woman doesn't like getting all dressed up or a girl doesn't like princess and sparkly things, she can't be a women/girl but must be something else.  Or a boy who wants to play with girls and likes baby dolls can't be a boy.  Maybe not a "girl" but certainly he has to be something else than just a boy who likes different things.  Didn't we go through all this back in the 70s-80s!  All "Free to Be You and Me."  Is there still room for a girl/boy to present themselves outside of the stereotype and still fully embrace the "girl"/"boy" label without some asterixis next to it?  This is why the "gender non-conforming" label in particular rubs me the wrong way.  Why should anyone have to conform to the stereotype in the first place, to the degree that you have to tell someone that's your label.[/quote]

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