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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really think a better way to have a reasonable conversation is for Obama liberals (which doesn't include all Democrats) to admit that they are Socialists and that they actually support higher taxes due to some moral leaning that they have as opposed to just sheer need and the we can try and work to a middle. If you admit that people who make a lot of money need to share much of their earnings with everyone else then the conversation switches to defining the roles. Then we can ask ourselves do we want a country less like the America of now and more like Europe? Until they plainly state their true motives and then show your work we'll never have consensus. Socialists please stand up. [/quote]

If corporations would distribute their money more fairly to their workers, this would not be needed.  If it were easy to move between jobs (without loosing your health benefits, without disrupting your family, without losing a huge hunk of money when you sell you house), this would not be needed.  In the real world, taxes are needed to make sure we have parks, schools, roads, a defense, and things that benefit everyone.  With most people making so little money, there is no way for the middle class and poor to pay for these things.  If we want a decent society, yes, there have to be taxes, and the rich have to pay their fair share of those taxes.  (and yes, I'm a socialist... what is wrong with that?  Are you confusing socialist with communist?  Or yourself with an anarchist?  because confusing a socialist with a communist is equivalent to confusing a libertarian with an anarchist...)[/quote]

If you go to school, work hard, work in a needed capacity you will be paid well. You have something of value and that can be transferred. The unemployment rate for people with Bachelor's degrees is only 4% and with Masters is 2%. You keep talking about all these things and it seems to slip your mind that people already pay taxes. the top earners are paying over 80% of all the taxes in America. So if you want them to pay MORE because we don't have a "decent society" then please tell me what this socalled Nirvana would entail. What the FUCK will Americans get for more taxes? More parks? Parks in space? You think more taxes will cause companies to move manufacturing back to America? Will more taxes cause the teacher's unions to actually allow underperforming teachers to be fired? Will more money make DC schools better? They already spend the most in the nation and have the worst results. Will more money mean that the government will be more efficient and not so redundant? What the hell will more taxes do? Because in your eyes we have NO army, No parks, No roads. I thought the $800b stimulus was supposed to be shovel ready to shore up all of that.

No one called you communist, so pipe the heck down. 
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